opportunity to buy "new" H/K P7M13

Status
Not open for further replies.
S

Sig_Dude

Member
Joined
Jun 13, 2008
Messages
10
I have always had an eye out for a new (or rather, never-fired) H&K P7. My local gun store has a P7M13 under the glass for $2,500. Is this a fair price for this gun? It comes in its original (albeit very barebones) box and has (2) magazines. Condition is excellent, as it should be for a never-fired weapon. I am not sure what year it was made.

My understanding of the P7's is that they are excellent shooters, return to target very quickly due to a very short moment-arm, are very safe, and have excellent triggers making them a blast to target shoot. I also understand that due to the fact that the slide being relatively lean-and-mean (thin) that they heat up rather quickly and will need to be set down to cool every 100 rounds or so, which really doesn't bother me.

Anyway, are there any P7 guru's out there who care to chime-in? Thanks a lot for any help guys.
 
Too high for that gun. If you want a shooter that's an A, or B, go over to top gun, you can get 1 for much less. I just saw one on Glock talk recentlly for 1500. Look around, you really want a gun you can shoot, so don't pay for a never fired pistol. You are gong to pay almost twice as much.
Plus I thought I wanted one also untill I picked one up at a show, man that thing weighed a ton, too heavy for ccw here in FL, unless it was at night and I had dress clothes on. I'm sure some one will show that they carry it every day with no problem as soon as my keyboard cools, but pick up a 20 oz gun with more rounds for a third of the price. 40 yrs carrying taught me a lot of things that take time to sink in even if you know them to be true. Heavy guns, are heavy. Period, other than a 1911, because of the amount of rounds they hold, when you put 12-19 rounds of anything in a mag, it get's heavy. Even switching ammo from 147 to 100, in a 9mm, will make a huge difference in the way you carry over time.
I hate having to pull my gun, pants or both up, because I chose to pack a 45 on a long day, with 2 mags, it's like walking around with a dumbell in your pants.
 
The PSP, which is the older 8-shot gun typically sells for around 800, the M8 for a little more, so I would agree 2500 seems a bit much. If you go look at closed auctions on the various sites, you'll get a better understanding of what they have recently sold for
 
Yikes, I'm not sure which one it was but I saw a P7 the other day at the shop for around $1200.

I want a P7, but you'll never see me pay $2500.
 
M13s are much rarer then psps, m8s etc. I havent been following values but around 5 years ago they were going in the 1500-2000 area. Mags will be 100 bucks a pop

I have both and imo the single stacks are the better guns for shooting, the m13s, m10s, k3s and the mythical m7 are more for collecting. The m13 is a thick gun.
 
Last edited:
Depending on exactly what it is it might be about right but gut feeling is that the price is too high.

Do not let other people confuse you. The P7M13 is not a P7 PSP, it is not one of the trade in guns. It is not a P7M8. It is one of the more rare P7 versions and commands a higher price.

That said I personally would not pay more than $1500 for one.
 
These have been selling in as new condition on other forums for $2000 or more these days.
 
+1 cslinger

P7 M13s are much harder to find than PSPs and M8s and carry a pretty hefty premium because of that. Especially one that has never been fired. I am just a lowly college student, so I don't have much of an idea of what a price should be as they're a good bit over my new gun budget, but they are excellent shooters.

My father actually bought a M13 new before the assault weapon ban and I've had a chance to shoot it a few times and will say that it is a great gun! It just seems to point naturally and doesn't have much muzzle flip and returns to target nicely. Reloads from slide lock are also pretty quick as the grip safety/cocker is also the slide release. I've decided that based on my experience with that gun, that I WILL eventually find some sort of P7 to add to my collection.

The only down sides to it are mag cost (he wasn't kidding when he said it's gona be close to $100 each!) and availability of accessories. M13s haven't been sold since 1994 (thank the assault weapons ban for that one) so there aren't that many holsters that I've found for it.

Also it doesn't take kindly to suppressors. Apparently there is too much back pressure due to the gas delay to effectively suppress it. Oh, and have fun finding your brass :evil:
 
Gunbroker has one for a buy now price of $1690. Granted it's a used gun, but if you want a shooter, it may be a deal. Otherwise, a collector grade, (NIB), will cost much more.
 
Last edited:
These are $1500-$1600 guns with nickel plated ones bringing few hundred bucks more.
 
Wow, thanks for the heads-up on the possible gross-overprice on this gun.

How are they to shoot? I shot once once and really liked it, it kicked like a kitten and had a great trigger.
 
P7s are love'em or hate'em kind of guns. I bought my first, an M8, just because I like having interesting "toys". I found that I am in the love'em camp.

They are fantastic guns to shoot. About as accurate as you are going to get this side of competition grade stuff, fantastic trigger, super safe, very comfortable in the single stacks and just plain fun to shoot.

People predominantly complain about the heat build up on these guns. Now, while this is an issue, I doubt these folks have ever run hundred rounds through one of my snubbies since they can get HOOOOTTT!!! The P7 can get mighty warm but nothing uncomfortable in my opinion.

All in all they are extremely interesting pieces aesthetically, from an engineering standpoint and from a practical defensive arm standpoint. Are they worth 1500-5000 dollars..............ummmm no but rest assured they are made in the Mountains of Tibet by speechless monks and blessed by naked virgins before they are sprinkled with unicorn dust and polished with a fresh cotton baby's diaper. Well at least that is what I tell myself.....makes the justification easier. :eek:
 
As an aside the magazines for these guns may be expensive as all get out but they are made hell for stout. I mean I cannot imagine you breaking one without using some form of explosive or the Jaws of Life.

My M8 will also just about launch one of these mags out the bottom of the grip upon magazine release that combined with the force of release and construction of the magazine, I am convinced it is some kind of secret last ditch defensive projectile to be launched at the enemy.
 
They get hot from the gas system running under the barrel in teh frame, not from having a narrow slide.


if you want to find one for a shooter, do it up, just not for $2500.
 
I've been out of the P7 game for a while, but I've owned at leat half a dozen over the years.

Comparing a PSP or an M8 to an M13 is a non-starter. The PSPs were made by the...well, maybe not millions, but there were many made and issued to West German PDs, and in the last five years, many were traded in and re-sold in the US, driving availability up and prices down. You can find a decent/good one for $700.

The M8s were built for at least 20 years and are available as well, although not as reasonably priced as the PSPs. A decent one is $800, a nice one will set you back $1300.

The M13 is and will always be a "limited edition", in fact if not in name. I sold my "very well used" M13 about five years ago for $1750, and probably could have listed it at $2000 and sold it for that price...

A NIB M13 at $2500 sounds like a rare opportunity to me.
 
I find the M13 to be too blocky and heavy in the grip for me, and much prefer the PSP or M8. They are commanding higher prices due to their comparitive rarity. If you don't "need" a P7 series gun in a high cap version get a PSP for $600 - $700. Similar gun with 8+1 capacity, and easier to conceal and carry.
 
I bought my P7M13 when they first came out. Paid $450 for it NIB. Extra mags were going for $25 then. Sold it a few years later for close to $1000.

Like anything "HK" of that era, they tend to draw a premium. In fact, all my HK's (and their accessories) were money well spent when it came time to sell them, and about the only guns I ever made any real money on when I sold them.

Great guns, accurate, reliable, and very easy to shoot well with. By the time they got to the M8/M13's, they had made some improvements in regards to heat, and they were better in that respect, but they still got pretty warm if you shot a bunch of rounds out of them quickly.

The M13 is pretty thick in the grip compared to the others, and the added rounds make them a little butt heavy, which can cause issues with holster selection and carry positions. The resulting hole in the bottom of the gun due to the double stack mag makes for a natural mag well, especially since the mags are narrow at the top. That, and with the squeeze cocker being the slide release, reloads are "very" fast and easy.

My only real complaints I had were the lack of decent holsters available for it (at the time) and because of that, the problem of the the mag release being hit while carrying the gun in certain situations, causing the mag to fall out of the gun. Mostly for me, it was when riding in the car, and the seat belt was releasing it. Id constantly find the mag on the front seat when I got out.

Another issue was again holster related, but also due to the guns balance. I had a "Pistol Pocket" for it, which was a type of IWB, and when worn appendix style (what? you thought this was a new idea? :) ), because the bulk of the M13's weight is in the butt, and its barrel is short, when you bent forward, the gun and holster would often flip out of my pants and hang upside down off my belt in front of me. A little disconcerting, and luckily discovered while learning the holster at home.

The holster thing these days probably isnt as much of an issue, especially since the P7's are now somewhat available again in more numbers, but since they are still not one of the mainstream guns, and the M13 has some different characteristics from the others, you may want to keep it in mind.
 
JMOfartO:

Here's my thinking..

HK P7M13's are really more of a "collectors" gun than anything else.. You pay $2000+ for a new one, take it out back and shot a magazine thru it and now it's a "used" HK P7M13....

Just like driving that expensive new "whatever" car off the showroom floor.. Instant depreciation is a bee-atch...:what:

I suggest you consider buying a "like new" "A" Grade HK P7...

You can get one in fantastic condition for less than $800 (I sold one two weeks ago for $753+shipping)...

These P7's are fantastic 9MM pistols, and make for wonderful plinkers, and casual target guns.. Accuracy is outstanding, absolute reliability is a given, and you will always be able to get all, or most, of the money you paid for it should you decide it's not your cup of tea.

Or, spend $800 to see what all the hoopla is about, and if you love it, then you have a wonderful play toy that COULD be used as a cc 9MM pistol in a pinch.

Get tired of it, and you can sell it for pretty much, if not more, than you paid for it.

How's that?

Truthfully the wonderful P7 is not the best choice for cc because it is top heavy, and low capacity for it's size. It's a super pistol, top quality in build construction, but there are simply better choices now in 9MM for cc.

As for the "heat" problem?

I had three HK P7's... (still have one) They WILL heat up if you are determined to shoot mag after mag thru them in succession.. But that heat build up is not a factor until after shooting 4-5 mags in a row, so it's not a factor for someone who plans on carrying it concealed. (And wouldn't have an extra 4 mags along anyway).

I'm old (68) and have had and still have a pretty good little stash of pistols, and I still believe a HK P7 that has been hard-chromed by Ford's (or some other quality refinisher) and had the Nill wooden grips added is one of the most beautiful pistols I've ever seen... IF not THE prettiest pistol I've ever seen.

Do a "google" to find a photo of one so tricked out and I think you'll see what I mean.

Back to the HK P7M13 you are lusting after..

I have never even held an M13, but I'm willing to bet the handle on that sucker is too thick for pleasurable shooting.. There's a reason HK P7M13's are scarce and that's because they didn't manufacture that many of them..

Ever wonder why?

Plenty of excellent "A" grade P7's "out there", I would suggest you consider buying one vs the M13...

Just personal opinion, I'm sure other's will disagree.

Best Wishes with whatever you decide...

Jesse

P.S. Another suggestion.. Go to the dedicated HK P7 (all models) www.parkcitiestactical.com if you have the interest.. Those folks are HK P7 experts and can offer you good advice from personal experience..

P.P.S.

Here's a photo of my "keeper"..

100_8838-1.jpg
 
I have never even held an M13, but I'm willing to bet the handle on that sucker is too thick for pleasurable shooting.. There's a reason HK P7M13's are scarce and that's because they didn't manufacture that many of them..

Ever wonder why?
Click to expand...

I don't find that to be the case. Maybe a bit wider than my P228, but not enough to be uncomfortable. I think if you can comfortably shoot a double stack 9mm, a P7 M13 should be fine.

In regards to the quantity produced and their rarity, their manufacturing period ran right into the 1994 assault weapons ban. The low numbers aren't as much of it being a bad gun, just the fact that it was illegal to sell in the US for the last 10 or so years of their production run.
 
Guys, yesterday evening I purchased a very slightly used P7M8 for $1000 (!!!). I'm pretty pumped about this gun. There were two in the case, an M8 for a grand and a "new" M13 for $2,500. When I held both guns side-by-side and held both in my hands, I felt that the M8 was far superior in my opinion as far as size in general and width in particular. It's a lot thinner and fits my hand perfectly. I am also a fan of the simplicity and reliability of the singe stack magazine. The only drawback I felt in the store was the European magazine release of the M8 versus the M13's "American'ish" magazine release, but after practicing at home with the weapon I got very good very quickly with the Euro style.

I appears as if this gun was barely used. It has a little bit of holster wear on the muzzle and and on the rear of the slide (probably from a police holster strap) but other than that's it's perfect. Saved myself $1,500 by going with the M8. Even if the two guns were the same price (disregarding the collector value of the M13) I still would have purchased the M8.

Now my question is: where can I get parts for my M8? Magazines, different grips, night sights, specifically designed holster, all that stuff? Would love to play around with a few different parts as I almost always do. Thanks for all the help with this great old semi-auto.
 
If it has a euro mag release, it is not a M8. The main selling point of the M8 IIRC was that it had an American style mag release and a heat shield above the trigger guard to help with the overheating on earlier P7 models.

I think what you bought was a PSP (though I obviously can't be sure without a pic) but I have never heard of an M8 with an European heel mag release. If its a M8, you saved $200-300, but if its a PSP, you should have paid between $600 and $800 depending on the finish.

As far as mags go, you'll want to be sure that it is in fact an M8 before you go out and buy a bunch of them. The M8 mags are different from the PSP mags because of the different types of mag release systems.
 
Not trying to belittle the PSP or anything, I just think you overpaid for the gun. Though if the seller told you specifically that the gun was a P7M8 and (obviously) expected you to base your decision to buy on that information, he committed fraud. Might be a way to get them to refund some or all of your money depending on what you want to do.

The PSP is still a great gun, and I'll probably even end up getting one myself. I have this strange desire to put a micro suppressor on a PSP or M8 that I can't seem to shake even though I know it won't be nearly as quiet as a suppressed P228 or P226... suppressed P7s are just so pretty :rolleyes:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

P
  • Locked
Heckler & Koch P7M13 Review
2
Replies
33
Views
4K
Kosh75287
K
J
  • Locked
Merry Christmas to me! H&K P7 PSP from CDNN
2
Replies
44
Views
4K
jon_in_wv
J
C
  • Locked
My "new" P7!
Replies
10
Views
2K
Sheslinger
S
N
  • Locked
Target Sights for H&K 45 USPC?
Replies
6
Views
549
Ak Guy
A
Dragonfly
  • Locked
The H&K P7 PSP: thoughts and observations (pic heavy!)
Replies
21
Views
5K
kBob
K
Back
Top