(OR) Shotgun shooting justified as SD

[226]

5 pellets

 

[AStone]

I was wondering about how many pellets there would be in a .410 00 rnd. I'm suprized in some ways that it's even that many.

Nem

 

[NineseveN]

Lol, I was thinking like, 2 or 3, then I thought, "what would be the point of that? Might as well use a rifle at that point"...guess I was wrong.

 

[bobaloo]

Fortunately in Oregon as a matter of law it is legal to use lethal force against someone who is committing a burglary, period, no other justification needed, none of the usual three-pronged analysis, etc.

As the instructor of my CHL class put it, it's a lousy law but good public policy. The reason for saying it's a lousy law is this hypothetical...you come home and find your 9 year-old neighbor kid in your house apparently stealing some CD's. Under this law you are legally within your rights to shoot him.

Fortunately common sense has generally prevailed so far and the law seems to be working well.

 

[NineseveN]

Fortunately in Oregon as a matter of law it is legal to use lethal force against someone who is committing a burglary, period, no other justification needed, none of the usual three-pronged analysis, etc.

As the instructor of my CHL class put it, it's a lousy law but good public policy. The reason for saying it's a lousy law is this hypothetical...you come home and find your 9 year-old neighbor kid in your house apparently stealing some CD's. Under this law you are legally within your rights to shoot him.

Fortunately common sense has generally prevailed so far and the law seems to be working well.

That's because an otherwise honest citizen will not commit murder, and the crooks are obviously already intent on breaking the law.

 

[AStone]

Fortunately in Oregon as a matter of law it is legal to use lethal force against someone who is committing a burglary, period, no other justification needed, none of the usual three-pronged analysis, etc.

Just one more reason to live in this interesting state (with appropriate attention to ethical & responsible application of said law).

Thanks, Bobaloo.

Nem

 

[AStone]

A few days ago, I learned from an authoritative source that
the perp in this case (finally) died from a .410 00 rnd to COM.

At least one other rnd hit him in the groin.

Ouch, that must have hurt.

But the rnd that lead to death was COM.

The lesson from this story:
even a .410 00 will lead to death.

Just imagine what a 12 ga. 00 will do.

Mine is just 30 steps away from where I type this,
and less than 5 from where I sleep
(behind an interior solid core door with a dead bolt {metaphor intentional).

In both cases, I've got a K9 on my right side to help get to it.

What, me worry?

Nem

 

[MrChicken]

Nem asks:
"At that point, apparently, the assailant tried to get away, but got trapped in a corner and was shot 3 times. That's an interest point that I'm a bit confused about: if the assailant was trying to get away, can the shooter still legally shoot him? (Morally is a different question. Can he legally shoot an assailant that is trying to flee?)"

Lee replies:
"Unfortunately we live in a time when legality is a very fluid thing. I'd think that shooting a fleeing/retreating assailant would get the shooter in deep trouble in any jurisdiction in the country. In a perfect world, it would."

Most rooms in a house are small, much less than the 21 feet we all know so much about. A cornered BG in a small apartment may be as little 14 feet away with the BG in one corner and the GG in the other. Actual room layout could make this much closer than that.

If he shot him in the front, good. Square in the back, bad, most likely. Given that it was real early and he had already taken a series of blows, I'm willing to cut him some slack on his ability to make split second decisions that we have forever to disect.

Obvious ways to avoid this:
1. Don't force your way into a home and beat the occupant.
2. Don't open the door for a screaming nutbag.