ORGANIZE! MOBILIZE! FIGHT!
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Sean Dempsey said:
Sean, can you save your asinine, gloating, and mocking attitude for DU?
The person who started this thread didn't say anything about armed resistance, but rather a political fight.
Incorrect, East Timor defeated Indonesia's army almost wholely with firearms (few heavy weapons were used from what I understand). There are more insurgencies that have won in the past with more heavy weapons. But that's just academic. Moving on more hypothetically,
Yes, most people won't risk their lives, but that's the way it always worked in any insurgency. And when you consider that two guys in DC were on the verge of making the government cave before they were caught, you can see how few people are needed to cause serious problems for the U.S. government.
MKH100 said:
Some did leave, but the point is, there was an easy outlet--most any of the other 49 states, for the really angry people. In the case of a federal ban, backs will be to the wall.
Back to the OP, I let my NRA membership lapse last year because of their partisanship. I will rejoin at the next gun show, and hope they learned their lesson. GOA is not a group I could support.
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I'll concede that as a good point creeping "Some did leave, but the point is, there was an easy outlet--most any of the other 49 states, for the really angry people. In the case of a federal ban, backs will be to the wall."
I like to hope you are right. The original point was that we should do all we can to win the "soft war" NOW, so we dont have to fight a real one...EVER. I am a student of history, look around the world and tell me where war does not and has not ever existed. There will be a shooting war in America, will we see it, our kids, our grandkids? Our duty is to protect the heritage, preserve the rights. My point was that if your plan to preserving your rights consists solely of "from my cold dead hands" then you are simply planning to fail.
I like to hope you are right. The original point was that we should do all we can to win the "soft war" NOW, so we dont have to fight a real one...EVER. I am a student of history, look around the world and tell me where war does not and has not ever existed. There will be a shooting war in America, will we see it, our kids, our grandkids? Our duty is to protect the heritage, preserve the rights. My point was that if your plan to preserving your rights consists solely of "from my cold dead hands" then you are simply planning to fail.
lemon328i:
Which reminds me of Baghdad Bob, Saddam Hussain's information minister in 2003, who used to make remarkably similar claims such as:
The cost of property along the banks of the Nile River has gone sky high, which must be why many people choose to live in denial.
The Guy:
Read the messages posted here and in other gun related forums both before and after the election. Many of the same people are saying just about the same things. Almost none has learned anything at all.
So many gun owners seem to have inordinate self-pride and self-concern, exaggerate the importance of their own experiences and feelings, believe in perfection, have little empathy for others, and claim to be altruistic but aren't. When the NRA begs for essential contributions, such people parade their contempuous self-justifications for refusing to support it. When the NRA asks them to support candidates or actions for their ultimate benefit, those people refuse and explain that they know more and better than the professionals.
They will not accept blame or criticism and seem incapable of learning from their mistakes. Such people continue to parrot irrational claims that the Republican Party was anti-gun and that George W. Bush wanted the assault weapons ban. They're actually joyful that the Democrats are in power because that shows the Republicans they didn't do right by gun owners.
They vote to send messages instead of voting in the best interests of gun owners generally and themselves in particular. And when they get slammed in the head by the awful consequences of what they've helped do to themselves, they retreat into denial or make grandiose statements such as "I'll take aim at their blue helmets!" and "Molon Labe!"
They insist upon making unrealistic demands and refuse to compromise, even though a strategy of "all or nothing" will always mean that they'll get nothing: they can't conceive of their effect on other people, who disagree with them but who also have rights and needs that must be accommodated cheerfully. And such people continue those behaviors even now, when it should be impossible to see that they are self-destructive.
These are the troops without whose concerted efforts there is no hope, but narcissistic personality disorder is rampant. If both the NRA and the Brady Campaign were on the stock market, investors could become wealthy by basing decisions to sell or buy on the messages here and in other gun-related forums.
I don't know if there are sufficient numbers of rational gun owners to overcome the disastrous effects of such people and start making friends instead of generating enemies. I most sincerely hope so.
Which reminds me of Baghdad Bob, Saddam Hussain's information minister in 2003, who used to make remarkably similar claims such as:
The cost of property along the banks of the Nile River has gone sky high, which must be why many people choose to live in denial.
The Guy:
Read the messages posted here and in other gun related forums both before and after the election. Many of the same people are saying just about the same things. Almost none has learned anything at all.
So many gun owners seem to have inordinate self-pride and self-concern, exaggerate the importance of their own experiences and feelings, believe in perfection, have little empathy for others, and claim to be altruistic but aren't. When the NRA begs for essential contributions, such people parade their contempuous self-justifications for refusing to support it. When the NRA asks them to support candidates or actions for their ultimate benefit, those people refuse and explain that they know more and better than the professionals.
They will not accept blame or criticism and seem incapable of learning from their mistakes. Such people continue to parrot irrational claims that the Republican Party was anti-gun and that George W. Bush wanted the assault weapons ban. They're actually joyful that the Democrats are in power because that shows the Republicans they didn't do right by gun owners.
They vote to send messages instead of voting in the best interests of gun owners generally and themselves in particular. And when they get slammed in the head by the awful consequences of what they've helped do to themselves, they retreat into denial or make grandiose statements such as "I'll take aim at their blue helmets!" and "Molon Labe!"
They insist upon making unrealistic demands and refuse to compromise, even though a strategy of "all or nothing" will always mean that they'll get nothing: they can't conceive of their effect on other people, who disagree with them but who also have rights and needs that must be accommodated cheerfully. And such people continue those behaviors even now, when it should be impossible to see that they are self-destructive.
These are the troops without whose concerted efforts there is no hope, but narcissistic personality disorder is rampant. If both the NRA and the Brady Campaign were on the stock market, investors could become wealthy by basing decisions to sell or buy on the messages here and in other gun-related forums.
I don't know if there are sufficient numbers of rational gun owners to overcome the disastrous effects of such people and start making friends instead of generating enemies. I most sincerely hope so.
Either the thread stays civil or it gets locked and any repeat offenders will be shown the door.
I agree with Bart.
Join pro RKBA groups and write elected officials.
Then the ball is in their court.
Join pro RKBA groups and write elected officials.
Then the ball is in their court.
Speaking of elections and organizing, etc.....
Here's a dismal scenario, likely it's been mentioned here before but I don't have time to read everything.....
The concerned, caring, feeling and thoughtful new Democratic Congress passes amnesty for the currently illegal aliens residing here.
Bingo! Instant, beholden new voting block of what...? Five, ten million grateful members.
I'll see your NRA voters and raise you a few million. Try to match that, gunnies.
Conservative politics becomes an instant thing of the past.....
:: Not that it has been manifested much recently anyway. ::
Here's a dismal scenario, likely it's been mentioned here before but I don't have time to read everything.....
The concerned, caring, feeling and thoughtful new Democratic Congress passes amnesty for the currently illegal aliens residing here.
Bingo! Instant, beholden new voting block of what...? Five, ten million grateful members.
I'll see your NRA voters and raise you a few million. Try to match that, gunnies.
Conservative politics becomes an instant thing of the past.....
:: Not that it has been manifested much recently anyway. ::
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