Passed on a S&W 15...

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Waveski

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While traveling the north country this weekend I came upon a pawn/gunshop in a very small town. Just my cup of tea. Upon entering I was immediately drawn to a Smith & Wesson 15-3 , 4" nickel. The gun was displayed showing the left side and was very clean. Case hardening colors were beautiful. Price was $449. I was moderately excited and I asked to see it. When the clerk handed the revolver to me I turned it over and was dismayed to see that the screw heads on the right side were badly corroded , the trigger on the same side was pitted , there was a slight blemish on the cylinder (no doubt aligned on the left side in storage) , and at the top of the side plate there was evidence of a minute bit of binding ; the plating of the side plate looked ever so slightly raised. I took that to mean that the side plate had been removed , and upon replacement it did not quite slip into position - bound slightly. (Is that a valid observation?) I determined that the Smith had been poorly stored but barely shot , given the clean appearance of the surfaces fore and aft of the cylinder ,clean top strap , and the tightest lock up I have observed in a Smith - Colt like , in fact.

I asked the clerk to send for the manager. I was in a pawn shop , and was prepared to bargain. I had cash in hand for just such an eventuality.

When the manager arrived I pointed out the corrosion issues , explained that replacement nickel screws were very hard to come by , told her that the trigger blemish could not be rubbed out without removing the case hardening coloration , and offered a shooter price of $350. I was willing to move a bit if I had to.

The clerk glibly responded by stating that a couple of screws were not worth $100 , (ahem) , and the $449 price was firm. I thought "What kind of a pawn shop is this? She probably gave some down on his luck schmuck $175 for the gun , and she will not budge an inch !"

I left in disgust.

That's my story.
 

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Perhaps the pawn shop just took it in and it's afresh piece not willing to hagle ? I have no idea how much it is worth i have found that sometimes I can buy new cheaper go figure
 
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I bought a later Model 15 with the Hogue rubber grips about 3 months ago in almost LN condition for $450.00, the LGS wanted $499.00, I offered $425.00 so we settled at $425.00. This is fast becoming one of my favorite revolvers. I saw a nice Model 19 over the weekend but the price was $675.00 firm. If you find a nice out of production K frame at a decent price these days, you have to jump on it!
 
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Just as a point of reference, I just acquired a nickel 15-2 2 weeks ago. I would class it in about 90% condition with target hammer and trigger, but non-original stocks. Cost me $525 and included the box.
 
Nickel 15? Maybe find a 67 and some Mother's mag polish. Mine shines up nicely.
The funny thing is, when I bought my nickle Model 15 it was because I could neither find nor afford a Model 67....in 1980?81?.

Still have it, it's been in my nightstand drawer for 35 years.
 
Akron ,

I started out as a SS snob , but became enamored with nickel for reasons which are difficult to define. Something about the flow of the nickel on the steel ...

I do own several stainless hand guns which have responded nicely to Flitz.

Regarding the 15-3 in the pawn shop , I felt that $$449 was unreasonable , not only because of the visible corrosion , but also because of the possibility of internal corrosion. It would have made a great shooter , but the manager felt she was sitting on something of collectable value. If it had been a pre 15 Combat Masterpiece it would have been more attractive , but a dash 3 with finish flaws , No.
 
You probably made the correct decision. Drop back by in a month or so and see if it's still there. If it is try to haggle a lower price. Good that you have crisp new looking bills in your pocket to show your serious.
 
The funny thing is, when I bought my nickle Model 15 it was because I could neither find nor afford a Model 67....in 1980?81?.

Still have it, it's been in my nightstand drawer for 35 years.
What was the price difference between the nickel 15 and stainless 67 back then? 1980 is before my time.
 
SeanSw

Back in 1981 (courtesy of Shooter's Bible from that same year), a Model 15 had a retail price of $169.50 (blued), and $182.50 (nickel plated). A stainless steel Model 67 would have cost $30.00 more, coming in at $212.50.
 
Around here both pawn and guns shops are VERY proud of their used guns, typically pricing them at or above full MSRP for a NIB version. I lucked out finding a 19-3 snub in excellent condition for $350, but that was a fluke.
 
I'd have been tempted to bring it home and find some stainless replacement screws to polish bright. As long as the corrosion was just on the screws.
 
Waveski

I share your concern as to wondering what if anything may have been tampered with in regards to the internal parts. Given the messed-up screws and questionable side plate fitting it would seem someone didn't know what they were doing with a screwdriver. You mentioned the cylinder locked up nice and tight; how was the DA/SA trigger pull?

Aside from some of the other minor cosmetic issues, I would have probably offered $400 and let it go at that. If your travels take you back that way perhaps stop in and see if it's still there. If this place is really that far out of the way maybe they'll be more receptive to a lower offer if it's been sitting there for awhile.
 
Pointing out obvious flaws in a gun before offering a price can sure tick off a seller. When someone does this to me, my response is "I obviously do not have what you want."

Better to politely ask if the seller was willing to entertain an offer. If they say yes, make the offer. Flaws can corrective action can be used during the negotiation.

I would have passed at $450 too, but .38 special service revolvers don't bring a lot of money around here.
 
The "raised" side plate, even if only minutely, would give me the most pause. I think your offer was fair, given all of the other condition issues.
 
SeanSw

Back in 1981 (courtesy of Shooter's Bible from that same year), a Model 15 had a retail price of $169.50 (blued), and $182.50 (nickel plated). A stainless steel Model 67 would have cost $30.00 more, coming in at $212.50.
Thanks! A 20% premium for stainless is more than I would have expected. I overpaid for my 67 (first gun) before knowing what I was doing. It also has a bit of raised side plate and the timing was way off on one chamber. After a trip to the factory for timing repair and an internal checkup it's quite a shooter.
 
SeanSw
In the '70's and '80's stainless steel guns use to be quite the hot ticket. One of the hardest to come by (and in some cases ridiculously overpriced), was S&W's little J frame Model 60.
 
Howdy

Just for a point of reference, I stumbled across this Model 14-3 last year. It is the same as the Model 15 but has a 6" barrel. It was on consignment for $500, which I thought was a pretty good price, because it truly was in like new condition with just a hint of a turn line. I asked if the consignor would take $450 and you could have knocked me over with a feather when he said yes.

Needless to say, I grabbed it.

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Ohh , Mr. Johnson - You landed a dandy. I am envious.

I feel all the better about walking out of the Pawn Shop because -

I just won an auction (using the $$$ I did not spend Up North) for an early K38 , 6" , with lanyard ring AND the "mushroom" knurled ejector rod end which I have been seeking ever since you posted comparative pictures on another thread a week or 2 back. More on that later.
 
"What kind of a pawn shop is this? she will not budge an inch !"

I left in disgust.

The kind of store that did not want to deal with you. Sometime customers are more trouble than they are worth, no matter what the profit may be.

I hope I'm wrong, but from the tone and tenner of your posting, it sounds as if you may be one of the above.
 
Waveski

Definitely want to see photos of this latest acquisition, especially since it has a lanyard ring!
 
I think pawn shops are a regional thing.
Around here (DFW area) I have visited three or four closest to my home at intervals over the last ten years.

I've never seen anything compelling, and in general, they have used Glocks, Sigmas, Tauri and XDs for 10-20% over new MSRP.

Any revolver they have is about 200% of market value, and they are utterly disinclined to dicker.

These days, I'm down to once every 90 days or less, and dropping steadily.
 
I have 2 shops close to me. One is near the interstate & prices (and sells!) at collectors levels. The other is more "reasonable".

The difference is knowing the market & the customers. For 10 years I've watched. And bought when I was inclined. And walked when we didn't agree. To see an army issued, nickle plating wearing off everywhere Colt sell for $1,000. Is amazing.
 
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