Paypal is anti-gun

[Double Naught Spy]

Agreed. However, this "rule" of theirs is probably more "obligatory" than anything else. I mean, Ive rarely heard of an instance where this "rule" was enforced to any significant degree (at least on this end).

You mean like not being enforced here in the OP? They have enforced it quite a bit on eBay and several companies that dealt with Paypal for online sales had to stop using it. So yeah, it does get enforced quite a bit, when they can catch it.

How many guys on gunbroker are selling using paypal?
Auction Arms?

Even so, you have to wonder why the blogger in the OP is even bothering to complain. Paypal has been anti-gun for YEARS. It is very old news. Why maybe the complaint should be about their inability to abide by the rules to which they agreed?

 

[Guns and more]

Ebay ownership is a bunch of hypocrites. They're all morons and idiots.

And that's why those "morons" are billionaires.
Paypal is a business. They can run it as they choose. If everyone hated them they would be broke.
I use them for some things. It's an easy way to send money. I know they don't want to be in the middle of a firearms transaction. Okay. I'll find another way.
It really doesn't bother me.
Do you still talk to your friends that don't carry guns?

 

[astrolite]

I think this is interesting in that no actual firearm sale is taking place over Paypal. While Paypal is facilitating a transaction that will ultimately result in someone winning a drawing for the weapon, the money isn't directly being used to purchase the gun.

With this logic, if I sell something on ebay for the sole purpose of collecting money to purchase a firearm... am I violating their policy? Where does it end?

When is the last time you bought a gun for $10? They are idiots and it should be noted.

 

[flrfh213]

all this talk of guns is going to make me pull my credit card out....
i am getting nervous here......

DOHHH thats not it..

 

[Guns and more]

I think this is interesting in that no actual firearm sale is taking place over Paypal.

Yeah, want to bet that if that gun was later used in a crime, that Paypal wouldn't get sued? With their deep pockets? Ha!
Maybe they hate guns. Who knows. It's their choice.

 

[jakemccoy]

Yeah, want to bet that if that gun was later used in a crime, that Paypal wouldn't get sued? With their deep pockets? Ha!
Maybe they hate guns. Who knows. It's their choice.

I believe this to be entirely false. What would be the basis for the suit against Paypal? Does Smith & Wesson get sued every time one of their guns is involved in a crime? Based on your theory, the people suing might as well sue VISA and the bank transferring the funds too.

It's not a liability issue. If it were a liability issue, then Paypal would prohibit transactions involving anything that's potentially harmful, including knives, trampolines, pogo sticks, baseball bats, etc.

It's more like Paypal is anti-gun. Meanwhile, it's their ball, their court and their rules...for now anyway.

 

[Oro]

OK look, here's some boilerplate I stick in on any on-line transaction I do. Perhaps it will persuade some folks. This is something I keep saved in notepad and ad to any online transaction I do anywhere:


would like to offer Paypal for convenience, but I can't in good conscience (the following bit is boiler plate). We stopped using paypal for about three reasons: 1) anti-gun 2) I lost $250 as a seller on Ebay on an item to a scamming buyer (bought my expensive custom harley shocks, took delivery, stripped out the specialized machined parts he needed to repair his, then mailed me back a bunch of parts. Since he had a post office receipt, he could proove he "returned" them, got a refund from me despite the obvious fraud), 3), my wife bought a Roomba on Ebay for $250; seller never sent it and closed his paypal account. Since we never got it we were due a refund, but they said since he closed his account there was nothing they could do.

Basically, Paypal lies and makes fraud and theft too easy. I have no reason at all to believe you are dishonest, so I am not saying I won't take paypal in this case because I suspect that. Please don't be offended. But I like to explain to people why I don't take paypal so they think twice before using it and reduce their use of it to protect themselves. Fraud is way too easy, either as a buyer or seller. They claim to offer protection and then welch at any excuse. It cost us $500 to learn this, and I hope to save others the expense.

I hope that's all OK with you.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

I will just have to compromise my principles. (If you don't like them I have others.) I love my PayPal. It helped to make a difference when I was hurting. Just don't use it for buying or selling actual firearms.

 

[possom813]

I stopped using paypal about 2 years ago.

I sold a lot of r/c cars and accessories on ebay when I stopped racing and had about 3k in the account. During that time a buyer filed a complaint on me for sending the wrong 20 dollar part. He didn't read the description properly and thought he was getting the new model transmission when in fact it was a new, old model transmission.

Anyways, due to the complaint, they froze my account for 30 days. I was on the phone with them probably 20 times a day for about 2 weeks before I finally told them to refund the guy and unfreeze my account so I can get my money out.

They refunded him the 20 or so dollars and my account stayed frozen for 11 days after that point.

It just seems a little overkill to freeze a large amount of cash for 20 bucks. So no more paypal for me.

 

[Oro]

possom813,

Yep, parallel to my experience, though I/we lost $500 and not $20. But the point is , they are focused on keeping buyers making money flow, not fairness. The CEO of Ebay admitted this moth they are basically giving up on Ebay as a revenue source (aka, they've screwed if up so badly) and they are looking to paypal to keep them going as they think people will flock to them for online payment and ignore restrictions and cost.

The naysayers (like me) say they will just evaporate as their costs are too high and if they become real players, banks will step in and make online transfers easy and cheap. I predicted this in 1999; unfortunately I was premature!

FYI; if you want a smart investment advisor; email me.

 

[rogertc1]

Don't forgrt all the rest of the anti-gunners:
http://www.nraila.org/issues/factsheets/read.aspx?id=15

Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.
Carter Hawley Hale Stores, Inc.
Crown Central Petroleum Corp.
Hyatt Corporation
ICN Biomedicals
Cummins Engine Company, Inc.
Clorox Corporation
MNC Financial, Inc.
Hechinger Company
A & M Records
Southland Corporation
Rolling Stone Magazine
Time Warner Inc.
Working Assets

I won't buy anmore Clorox either...

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Yes, but those companies have nothing to do with Paypal and as near as I can tell, they don't have anything to do with gun transactions. It isn't like Ben and Jerry's is refusing to sell you ice cream if you try to pay for it with the profits from gun sales.

 

[bigalexe]

Honestly I can understand why Ebay won't allow gun sales. If I was running an internet site where millions of items are sold daily (some of them stolen property) I wouldn't want the possible legal headache of being party to the transfer of any stolen or illegal firearms in whole or in part.

However PAYPAL is not a sales site, all they do is money transfers similar to say Western Union. Now in their instance I don't see where exactly they even have right to ask what the transfer is for. If it were me I would just mark the transfer as "10,000 lbs. of Bananas" or something and have it over with.

 

[chuckusaret]

I don't shop on eBay and I don't use paypal. I use cash when possible when face to face or postal money orders for on line tranactions. I am not in a rush for anything except sex and food.

 

[LRaccuracy]

I remember when e-Bay allowed selling magazines and then disallowed the sale of firearm magazines on their site. I wrote a letter in protest and they sent me a letter back threatening me that they would publish my letter of protest.

I told them to publish it... What Jerks!!!!


Duhhhhhhhhhhhh.. Don't they get it... Guns, magazines and ammo are legal in the USA. I believe e-Bay is Canadian. Anyway... I told them what they could do and dropped my account. Freedom of Speech is another freedom we have.

I feel sorry for countries that do not have the FREEDOMS that we have in the USA.

 

[Hk91-762mm]

1) anti-gun 2) I lost $250 as a seller on Ebay on an item to a scamming buyer (bought my expensive custom harley shocks, took delivery, stripped out the specialized machined parts he needed to repair his, then mailed me back a bunch of parts. Since he had a post office receipt, he could proove he "returned" them, got a refund from me despite the obvious fraud), 3), my wife bought a Roomba on Ebay for $250; seller never sent it and closed his paypal account. Since we never got it we were due a refund, but they said since he closed his account there was nothing they could do.

Basically, Paypal lies and makes fraud and theft too easy. I have no reason at all to believe you are dishonest, so I am not saying I won't take paypal in this case because I suspect that. Please don't be offended. But I like to explain to people why I don't take paypal so they think twice before using it and reduce


Exactly why I wont do any business online!!!!

Thanks for the clorox tip!!!

 

[jakemccoy]

Honestly I can understand why Ebay won't allow gun sales. If I was running an internet site where millions of items are sold daily (some of them stolen property) I wouldn't want the possible legal headache of being party to the transfer of any stolen or illegal firearms in whole or in part.

From Ebay's perspective, how would stolen guns be different than any other stolen item, like stolen jewelery, stolen clothes, etc.?

Unlike you, I don't understand your explanation.

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I think people are trying to rationalize why Ebay doesn't allow the sale of guns in a legal manner. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that they're anti-gun, and it's their site and their rules.

 

[rogertc1]

I use E-Bay and I use PAY Pal.
I buy 4 to 5 guns a month.
All my cars are made in America.
I DID NOT vote for Obama

 

[Dookie]

Paypal is also very unsecure. There was a company that was going to start a gun friendly money account like paypal, called gearpay, they could never get it secure enough using the paypal software. Hackers went right though it in testing.

As soon as I get money in my paypal account, it comes right out.

They have also been known to shut accounts down for selling gun parts that were sold on ebay.