Pics of an FAL with a SAW Stock
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wintermute76
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Isn't the greatest picture. http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=906858
I've since changed my sling to a CQB M60/ SAW sling.
I've since changed my sling to a CQB M60/ SAW sling.
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shoobe01
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Several of mine. Love it completely.
http://www.donttouchme.com/guns/243.html
http://www.donttouchme.com/guns/5.html
http://www.donttouchme.com/guns/20.html
http://www.donttouchme.com/guns/243.html
http://www.donttouchme.com/guns/5.html
http://www.donttouchme.com/guns/20.html
Dionysusigma
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One of the many things I'd like to do someday is take a DSA STG-58, put Tapco's M249 furniture on it (the black version 
), and slap on a rigid brass catcher from Bushmaster... thus creating a sort of skinny, semi-only, .308 M249. It's a bit of a stretch, but since I can't afford the real thing...
P.S. Wintermute, how stable is that receiver cover?
), and slap on a rigid brass catcher from Bushmaster... thus creating a sort of skinny, semi-only, .308 M249. It's a bit of a stretch, but since I can't afford the real thing... P.S. Wintermute, how stable is that receiver cover?
shoobe01
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I highly suggest the ARMS mount. Perfectly stable when you don't remove it (just pretend you have a G3 when cleaning) and very close to zero when you do have to remove it. Plus, much more streamlined than the usual competition. Not wider than the receiver, no big screws.
To really simulate a Minimi you need to find the fore-arm also. Must be one out there, and a way to mount it to a FAL. At least the heavy barrel Israeli front end would be good. Too bad there is no FAL drum...
(Or if a /real/ fan, get the airsoft SAW. I handled one and its a hoot. $1000 is a lot, but real pre-86 transferrables are $75 - $150,000!!!! see some photos)
To really simulate a Minimi you need to find the fore-arm also. Must be one out there, and a way to mount it to a FAL. At least the heavy barrel Israeli front end would be good. Too bad there is no FAL drum...
(Or if a /real/ fan, get the airsoft SAW. I handled one and its a hoot. $1000 is a lot, but real pre-86 transferrables are $75 - $150,000!!!! see some photos)
FrankGrimeyGrimes
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I have one of the ~$500 Century "R1A1"s that AIM Surplus is selling.
In case you are wondering (given Century's reputation), the first CAI R1A1 that AIM delivered to me had a bad fire control group. I sent it back to AIM with little fuss and they quickly sent me back another that actually works very well. I wouldn't have taken the risk of buying a CAI FAL if it wasn't coming from a reputable place like AIM (which paid dividends given the original rifle's problems.)
The new Century FAL ("R1A1") builds are metric and feature new barrels. This turned out to be fortunate, because the one thing I found uncomfortable with the piece was the rakish angle of the traditional FAL pistol grip. Fortunately, folks who own metric FALs can replace the "classic" grip with the US made trap-door pistol grip of the M249 SAW. That's what I did. What a difference the SAW grip made! Much more comfortable in the hands, plus with the added bonus of the little bit of storage provided in the grip and the fact that it adds to the US parts count.
I haven't had any need to replace the buttstock, but to all of those who own metric FALs, I would highly recommend retrofitting with the M249 SAW's pistol grip.
In case you are wondering (given Century's reputation), the first CAI R1A1 that AIM delivered to me had a bad fire control group. I sent it back to AIM with little fuss and they quickly sent me back another that actually works very well. I wouldn't have taken the risk of buying a CAI FAL if it wasn't coming from a reputable place like AIM (which paid dividends given the original rifle's problems.)
The new Century FAL ("R1A1") builds are metric and feature new barrels. This turned out to be fortunate, because the one thing I found uncomfortable with the piece was the rakish angle of the traditional FAL pistol grip. Fortunately, folks who own metric FALs can replace the "classic" grip with the US made trap-door pistol grip of the M249 SAW. That's what I did. What a difference the SAW grip made! Much more comfortable in the hands, plus with the added bonus of the little bit of storage provided in the grip and the fact that it adds to the US parts count.
I haven't had any need to replace the buttstock, but to all of those who own metric FALs, I would highly recommend retrofitting with the M249 SAW's pistol grip.
wintermute76
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The only problems I had with the ARMS receiver cover was trying to get it to fit the first time. When they say it fits tight, they aren't kidding. I"ve had it off several times, and at the carbine class I took, I could still ring a 12"x 14" steel plate at 100 yards pretty easy, so it didn't shift zero much, if at all. And I"m not too great of a shot either.
Mine is an STg 58 kit, I swapped out the dust cover, buttstock, pistol grip,T-48 square trigger guard, the charging handle for a metric folding style, inch style selector, FSE internals (H,T,S) and a Stoll type muzzle brake.
My only complaint would be, that as shooting as a lefty, I do occasionally bump the safety up to safe. I do like the angle of the SAW pistol grip a bit more than the original FAL one.
Someone on FAL files had a picture of a FAL retrofitted with a SAW forearm. I cant seem to find it right now tho.
Mine is an STg 58 kit, I swapped out the dust cover, buttstock, pistol grip,T-48 square trigger guard, the charging handle for a metric folding style, inch style selector, FSE internals (H,T,S) and a Stoll type muzzle brake.
My only complaint would be, that as shooting as a lefty, I do occasionally bump the safety up to safe. I do like the angle of the SAW pistol grip a bit more than the original FAL one.
Someone on FAL files had a picture of a FAL retrofitted with a SAW forearm. I cant seem to find it right now tho.
wintermute76
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I don't think it will. There may be an inch version of the SAW buttstock tho.
IIRC the inch and metric have a different design on the back of the rifle, the inch has a step on each side I think and the metric just butts up to it with an alignment tab on the bottom.
IIRC the inch and metric have a different design on the back of the rifle, the inch has a step on each side I think and the metric just butts up to it with an alignment tab on the bottom.
shoobe01
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I think they make an inch buttstock. Check Tapco.
I have played with the SUIT (Trilux) scope, and it was presumably the thing to have in the 60s, but is dated now. If you haven't looked thru one, it has a metal post coming down from the top with a pointy end. The post is hollow and sorta all reflects/lights up with the radiation source. Sorta like an upside down version of the Trijicon Accupoints:
(The theory was that when holding high you would not obscure the target. Hence, upside down.)
I am on an irons kick, but when I next want any optic I think it will be the ACOG Compact with amber triangle. Self-luminous like the british sight and with the light-gathering tube, 12.5 moa for occluded aimpoint-type aiming, then the pointy bits for precise aiming. And 3-4x is a nice edge for that extra .308 range. Anything above that looses close range capabilities.
The tri-power also might be a good thing. Either way, on a good solid base. The cheap ones are cheap and will wobble.
I have played with the SUIT (Trilux) scope, and it was presumably the thing to have in the 60s, but is dated now. If you haven't looked thru one, it has a metal post coming down from the top with a pointy end. The post is hollow and sorta all reflects/lights up with the radiation source. Sorta like an upside down version of the Trijicon Accupoints:
(The theory was that when holding high you would not obscure the target. Hence, upside down.)
I am on an irons kick, but when I next want any optic I think it will be the ACOG Compact with amber triangle. Self-luminous like the british sight and with the light-gathering tube, 12.5 moa for occluded aimpoint-type aiming, then the pointy bits for precise aiming. And 3-4x is a nice edge for that extra .308 range. Anything above that looses close range capabilities.
The tri-power also might be a good thing. Either way, on a good solid base. The cheap ones are cheap and will wobble.
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