Pietta 1860 Army Rebuild

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GeoffC

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This is my 12 year old Pietta 1860, I "antiqued" the finish last night and took that picture this morning.

I sanded and put two coats of boiled linseed oil on the grips a week ago, and I plan on giving them another couple dozen coats over the next month or two.

I purchased this gun back in the 1990's from Cabela's, actually I purchased it and another one just like it. After a couple of trips out to shoot them, I'd say about 75 rounds each, they both got extremely rough. I couldnt tell you what happened to the other gun, but this one ended up sitting at the bottom of a box for the past decade or there about. I pulled it out the other day and took it apart to see what happened to it, because I've recently reaquired "the itch" to start shooting black powder again. Upon opening her up, I found that the internals(hammer, trigger, bolt, pawl, and springs) looked like they'd been through hell and back...then maybe dragged to hell and back a few more times just for good measure. I've read a good bit of postings about how these things are made of softer steel than most modern firearms are, and from what I've seen inspecting the gun, I must say this is the case, however I think that the culprit behind the destruction of most of these Italian revolvers is a combination of fired caps which become stuck in the area between cyl and frame, powder crud, and bad timing. I'd be willing to bet that even a S&W 29 would age quicker(internally speaking) if it had to fight fragments of caps and crud every time the hammer was pulled back, nowhere near as quickly as these softer metal guns do, but all the same, somewhat quicker.

I've ordered a parts kit fro Cabela's, due to not being able to find out about anything being available which one might consider an upgrade from factory parts for these guns, except for the trigger spring(i think thats what it's called, its the split one thats screwed in near the front on the inside of the frame), which i aquired a music wire spring from Brownell's as a replacement for. I really wish I could find out that somewhere out there someone makes some really solid high quaility replacement guts for these guns, and if anyone knows of such a bird, please, by all means enlighten me!

I have been told that a company by the name Treso makes a better nipple that I've heard(i dont know how it would, but hey, I'll try anything once) doesnt leave your cyl fighting fragged nipples quite so bad when it's time to rotate to the next chamber and fire.

Mind you that I'm in no way experienced working on these types of revolvers, however I'm pretty experienced with double actions, 1911's, all sorts of other autos, mauser rifles, AR's and so on.... More or less, what I'm saying is I'm no mechanically handicapped.

Being that this is my first blackpowder revolver to work on, any advice or suggestions of any kind would be greatly appriciated!!! Thanks, Geoff

PS, By the way, this is my first post here, I've browsed around the forum and can't tell you how many times this forum has helped me out, finally I decided to join last week as I figured having the ability to post might come in handy with this project and future ones....
 
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I've ordered a parts kit fro Cabela's, due to not being able to find out about anything being available which one might consider an upgrade from factory parts for these guns, except for the trigger spring(i think thats what it's called, its the split one thats screwed in near the front on the inside of the frame), which i aquired a music wire spring from Brownell's as a replacement for.
It's called the trigger/bolt spring; one side applies a load to hold the trigger that ensures the sear will enter the half cock and full cock notches, the other side loads the bolt so it will raise into place on the cylinder when required. The Heinie wire spring from Brownell's is a good option as it will last longer than many of the leaf springs available as drop in parts.
I really wish I could find out that somewhere out there someone makes some really solid high quaility replacement guts for these guns, and if anyone knows of such a bird, please, by all means enlighten me!
Nope. Ain't none.
I have been told that a company by the name Treso makes a better nipple that I've heard(i dont know how it would, but hey, I'll try anything once) doesnt leave your cyl fighting fragged nipples quite so bad when it's time to rotate to the next chamber and fire.
The Treso nipples have a smaller flash channel than other brands. This does two things: first, it concentrates the hot gas from the cap, which keeps it hotter at a larger distance from the source resulting in more reliable main charge ignition, and second, it presents a smaller area to escaping main charge gas, which means a smaller force is applied to the damaged cap so that it stays in place better.
 
Geoffc, First off, Welcome to the forum. There is a lot of knowledge that floats in and out of this place, so don't be shy when asking questions.

Here are a couple links that should help you immensely in rebuilding your Army:

http://www.theopenrange.net/articles/Tuning_the_Pietta_Part_One.pdf

http://www.theopenrange.net/articles/Tuning_the_Pietta_Part_Two.pdf

The articles are using a Sheriff's model 1851; but the processes and procedures are the same for your 1860.

Have fun, and be sure to keep us informed on your progress.

FM
 
Has anyone here/known anyone who ever took the two stock attachment screws out and filled them somehow or another? I find that extra protruding screw on each side to be unsightly at best and I have no plans of ever fitting it with a stock to turn it into an 8 inch barreled shoulder fired black powder weapon(there really are better choices for CQB), nor do i have a plan of selling it...

From what I've seen, most of the old original Colt revolvers didnt come with these screws.
 
Sorry, I started to write something, realized it likely wouldn't work and then tapped the "Send" instead of "Cancel".

Move along, move along. Nothing to see here. Go about your normal activities....
 
Well, it's done and it's smooth as can be. I did end up taking it to a gunsmith who only does black powder and had him time it correctly... I don't think I've ever messed with one that was smoother... Shoots pretty damn good too.

Right now I'm loading 24gr of German FFFG, then two lubed wads(trying to take up space and reduce gap between ball and barrel) then my .454 lead ball. RWS 1075 caps are all that seem to fit well, but I plan on changing nipples. When popping caps on empty chambers, I get more fire out the barrel with Winchester's "Magnum" No.11's. It'd be nice to find a nipple that would seat those, althought RWS seems to be more consistant as far as availablity.


I just got this one done and my 1858 Remington(steel, fixxed sights) will be in on Fri. $169 from Cabelas, cant beat it.
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And then I blued it......
 
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