Pistol caliber rifles in Ohio?

[bearcreek]

Perhaps a very long bumper that the first loaded round touches when loaded at the action. One long enough that will stop anymore than two rounds in the tube. I wonder if snap caps would be allowed instead?

That is currently how pump shotguns are plugged. It's actually quite easy and I think it would probably be the same for lever guns. Snap caps are not currently allowed for shotguns because the rule is that the gun has to be dissassembled to remove the plug. I'm not sure what the solution would be for guns like the Ruger 77/44. I've never handled one but would it be possible to dissassemble the mag and modify it somehow to hold only two rounds? Don't know. Don't really care too much personally. I gave up shotgun hunting several years ago and started using a muzzleloader during gun season. Way more accurate, cheaper to shoot, longer range, lower recoil. You shouldn't need more than one shot, and if you do you did something wrong. When this proposal passes I'll be using an H&R single shot .44 mag.

 

[bearcreek]

I am a little surprised at what they consider pistol cartridges. Some are pretty big, 50/90 etc.

That term as they're using it is a little misleading. It's actually not referred to as a pistol cartridge in the current reg book, only as a straight walled cartridge. Not sure if you're from Ohio or not but the rule is any straight wall cartridge is legal in a handgun. So, for example, the .50 Beowulf AR pistol and the Thompson center pistol pictured below are legal for deer hunting here but the .44 mag lever action and the single shot 30-30 are not. The .44 lever gun is not legal because it has a shoulder stock and the 30-30 isn't because it's necked down. Not a lot of legitimate logic involved but this is government we're talking about, so thats normal.

 

[huntsman]

Again, why would they need to be limited, whereas a revolver could hold 6/7/8 and a bottom feeder even more?

I believe the policy is any long gun will be limited capacity for deer hunting, I can only guess that it's a range thing(compared to handguns)

I've been chasing Buckeye Whitetails for over 40 years and the laws have never made any sense to me. IF safety was the underlying issue for the cartridge limits why haven't they allowed buckshot?

When this proposal passes I'll be using an H&R single shot .44 mag.

I'm leaning toward a single shot .45/70 but would love something in .45C

 

[buck460XVR]

I believe the policy is any long gun will be limited capacity for deer hunting, I can only guess that it's a range thing(compared to handguns).
I've been chasing Buckeye Whitetails for over 40 years and the laws have never made any sense to me.

Things like this is why I made this statement earlier.....

Too many states still define gun safety and bag limits by archaic Mother's tales and misguided beliefs instead of facts and science. Much of this is because the majority of folks in any given state are not hunters, safety experts or wildlife biologists, but still want to be the ones that make the rules for hunting in their state.

My .460 Revolver shoots a 'ell of a lot farther than either of my .44 mag carbines, and in DA can shoot just as fast if not faster . Again, sheer non-sense. Rules made on emotions and not facts. Glad I don't have to contend with what you folks do, but at least now you can enjoy using some kind of long gun. I just wish they would let us use all handguns during muzzle loader season here.

 

[matrem]

Lets hope the opinions at these "open houses" don't get too awful technical..

And I this one.

C'mon guys, think about the typical firearm knowledge of folks who'll actually be deciding this.

Less words involved in regulation is usually better.

 

[dstegjas]

I was thinking a little more about plugs for rifles. In the past when we were restricted to three rounds. The manufactures had already made the plug and it either was delivered with the gun when purchased, or it could be purchased later. It was at least already available. So I am starting to think they would have a hard time with a restriction like this. No one that I am aware of makes them. So how can they expect a hunter to buy something that does not exist.

Jim

 

[bearcreek]

So how can they expect a hunter to buy something that does not exist.

Jim

It doesn't take anything fancy for a pump action or lever action. I've used pencils or just a smooth stick, dowel rod etc. Anything thats long and thin enough to fit inside the magazine spring.

 

[Grumulkin]

My prediction; your agonizing about how to plug a gun to hold only 3 rounds will have no relevance because I doubt you'll be required to do it.

 

[huntsman]

^I've been following this issue for awhile and I forgot about this thread.

http://forums.buckeyefirearms.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10500

"Many people may argue that rifles or carbines are not needed in Ohio due to safety concerns. All the surrounding states allow some form of rifle hunting with little difference in safety issues. In some of these states, much of the terrain and population densities are very comparable to Ohio. Range and accuracy are similar to firearms currently legal for deer harvest in Ohio, with accuracy being a little better in some cases. So what is the hang up? Capacity seems to be the sticking issue for the ODNR. Due to an accident back in the early 90's, Ohio enacted a three round limit for shotguns. The plugging does not apply to handguns. The argument is that someone shooting at a running deer does not pay attention to what is down range while following that deer in their sights. However, this regulation has created a new safety issue, when those wishing they had a fourth shot, take their eyes off the target to hastily reload their firearm. Reacquiring that target for a quick follow up shot can lead to the exact same problem. Where do we draw the line?."

Lehman explains the Division of Wildlife concerns, "It's the plugging issue that is our greatest concern. We have seen various proposals in the past. Most compare the rifles to the handguns since handguns are not plugged. However, handguns are self-controlling due to the skill set required to successfully harvest deer using them. Handguns are used at much closer ranges and the use of handguns is very limited. We realize the rifle carbines may be popular to hunt deer. The Division must ensure there are no safety issues. There may be some things we can do. We are continuing to evaluate the options to ensure whatever may be done doesn't open up more controversy."

 

[bearcreek]

My prediction; your agonizing about how to plug a gun to hold only 3 rounds will have no relevance because I doubt you'll be required to do it.

I hope you're right. I guess I can't imagine though why they would make us plug shotguns but not rifles, especially since it's so easy to do in many cases.