Plant worker in Kentucky kills four after dispute

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Initial reporting indicates a terrible exemplar of a stupid hothead with a gun. It's a textbook example for the anti position.

Too bad someone didn't take his gd gun away from him. :mad:

This one idiot hurts the rights of all of us and adds tremendous costs to the system.



Plant worker in Kentucky kills four after dispute
Updated Wed. Jun. 25 2008 7:50 AM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

An employee at a plastics plant in western Kentucky shot and killed four people before taking his own life early Wednesday, police confirm.

The shootings took place after the man, employed at Atlantis Plastics, had an argument with a supervisor, said Henderson police Lt. David Piller.

Two other people were injured by the gunman and were flown to hospitals in Evansville, Ind.

Piller said the employee used a handgun he retrieved while on a break.

The victims were shot in different areas of the plant and police did not say if the supervisor involved in the initial argument was among the dead or injured.

"It appears the shooting was random at this time,'' Piller said.

A news conference is scheduled for 3 p.m. Wednesday.

Names of the people involved in the incident have not been released.

Other employees at the plant have been sent home.

Henderson is a city located along the Ohio River in Henderson County.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...5/plant_shooting_080625/20080625?hub=CanadaAM
 
It's a horrible thing. Yet, if he wanted to kill and could not get a gun, he could have fire bombed a crowd, mauled people in a car, knifed a bunch of folks as in Japan, you name it. It gives the antis fodder, true, but the real perspective is that this was a bad man who did bad things. His tool of choice is irrelevant.

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Here's the AP story

Another example of how gun control laws don't work.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_re_us/plant_shooting

By RYAN LENZ, Associated Press Writer 38 minutes ago

An angry employee opened fire at a western Kentucky plastics plant after an argument early Wednesday, fatally shooting a supervisor and four others before committing suicide, police and a company official said.

The killings stunned the sleepy Ohio River town of about 28,000 people, where a local leader said many residents know or are related to a worker at the plant.

"Our whole community is in shock," Henderson County Judge-Executive Sandy Watkins said.

The rampage began shortly after midnight, when the employee, a press operator, began arguing with a supervisor and was escorted from the building, company CEO Bud Philbrook told The Associated Press.

As the employee was leaving, he took out a gun, shot the supervisor, then charged back into a break room and shot several employees. Then he returned to the floor and shot another employee before killing himself, Philbrook said. Between 35 and 40 workers were inside the factory at the time.

"It's just total shock. It's something you read about in the paper," Philbrook said.

A man who called 911 frantically described the scene to a dispatcher, tallying up the number of dead around him.

"There's more than two people dead. There's like one, two, three, four, five people dead," the man said. "The supervisor is dead, too."

Officials are trying to determine the nature of the argument the employee had with his supervisor, Philbrook said. "There's certainly no record of untoward activity or performance prior to this situation," he said.

It wasn't clear if the employee was carrying the gun, or if he retrieved it after the argument. Under Kentucky law, business owners are allowed to prohibit people from bringing weapons onto the premises.

"We don't know if the gun was in the car or if he went somewhere to get it," Henderson police Lt. David Piller said.

At least one other person was injured, police said. The wounded victim was taken to St. Mary's Hospital and Medical Center in Evansville, Ind., spokeswoman Cheryl Dauble said. That person was in critical care, she said, but declined to release further information.

The names of the gunman and the victims were not released. However, Henderson County Coroner Bruce Farmer confirmed the supervisor was among the dead. He said autopsies for all six were planned Wednesday.

Four of the victims were members of St. Michael's Catholic Church in Sebree, Ky., said the Rev. Jason McClure, who had spent much of the morning with the victims' families. McClure declined to identify those who were killed, at the request of the Henderson County coroner, but said their families and fellow parishioners were shocked by the shootings.

"They are very upset and hurting deeply and just trying to figure out what to do next," McClure said.

Hours after the shooting, police had set up a roadblock on the street leading to the plant, which is in an industrial area on the southern side of Henderson. Other employees at the plant were sent home.

Atlanta-based Atlantis Plastics has 1,300 employees worldwide, and about 150 in Henderson, where workers make parts for refrigerators and plastic siding for homes.

In a news release on the company's Web site, Atlantis Plastics said it is a leading U.S. manufacturer of three kinds of products: polyethylene stretch films for wrapping pallets of materials, custom films for industrial and packaging uses, and molded plastic pieces used in products such as appliances and recreational vehicles.

The company has annual sales of $110 million, according to business directory Hoovers.

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Associated Press writers Harry Weber in Atlanta and Bruce Schreiner and Rebecca Yonker in Louisville contributed to this report.
 
Piller said the employee used a handgun he retrieved while on a break.
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Other reports say he retrieved it from home. Audio interview with another LE (Det.- Sgt. John Nevels) said he retrieved it from his vehicle. At this point, I am suspect of all reports.
 
Under Kentucky law, business owners are allowed to prohibit people from bringing weapons onto the premises.
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This is incorrect information. Under KY law, legal weapons may not be prohibited by an employer if in a employees vehicle. They may be prohibited inside the building, but that is all.
 
Why do these guys always kill innocent people before killing themselves.
 
Just heard on the local news- the argument that started things was over SAFETY GOGGLES!. Some people are just too stupid to breathe...
 
Under Kentucky law, business owners are allowed to prohibit people from bringing weapons onto the premises.
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:banghead:
Where are the lawyers with the wrongful death lawsuits. Let's hold the creators of these "Gun Free Zones" accountable.
 
I have no problem with business prohibiting carry on their property. It is private property, you are paid to work their under certain conditions, if you don't like them, find employment elsewhere. Welcome to the free market.
 
As I said...

Under Kentucky law, business owners are allowed to prohibit people from bringing weapons onto the premises.
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WRONG!!!!!!

Kentucky revised statutes:

237.106 Right of employees and other persons to possess firearms in vehicle --
Employer liable for denying right -- Exceptions.
(1) No person, including but not limited to an employer, who is the owner, lessee, or
occupant of real property shall prohibit any person who is legally entitled to possess
a firearm from possessing a firearm, part of a firearm, ammunition, or ammunition
component in a vehicle on the property.
(2) A person, including but not limited to an employer, who owns, leases, or otherwise
occupies real property may prevent a person who is prohibited by state or federal
law from possessing a firearm or ammunition from possessing a firearm or
ammunition on the property.
(3) A firearm may be removed from the vehicle or handled in the case of self-defense,
defense of another, defense of property, or as authorized by the owner, lessee, or
occupant of the property.
(4) An employer that fires, disciplines, demotes, or otherwise punishes an employee
who is lawfully exercising a right guaranteed by this section and who is engaging in
conduct in compliance with this statute shall be liable in civil damages. An
employee may seek and the court shall grant an injunction against an employer who
is violating the provisions of this section when it is found that the employee is in
compliance with the provisions of this section.
(5) The provisions of this section shall not apply to any real property:
(a) Owned, leased, or occupied by the United States government, upon which the
possession or carrying of firearms is prohibited or controlled;
(b) Of a detention facility as defined in KRS 520.010; or
(c) Where a section of the Kentucky Revised Statutes specifically prohibits
possession or carrying of firearms on the property.
Effective: July 12, 2006
History: Created 2006 Ky. Acts ch. 240, sec. 8, effective July 12, 2006.
 
I want to know why the perp's girlfriend didn't do anything. :rolleyes:

He called her TWO HOURS before his rampage, and told her exactly what he intended to do. Clearly premeditated, so this was NOT a "spur of the moment" shooting.

The girlfriend should've called the police immediately.
 
'then took his own life'. with someone like that there is little that could have been done before the act, it's a shame someone with CCW was not present with their .32acp or .38 snubbie to put a stop to it.
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Putting a stop to a shooting spree with a Seecamp .32 is probably stretching it.. Unless you're willing to get shot yourself to get a behind the ear shot.
 
I have no problem with business prohibiting carry on their property. It is private property, you are paid to work their under certain conditions, if you don't like them, find employment elsewhere. Welcome to the free market.
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And they should be held totally BLAMELESS when they have lax security and things like this happen, I'll bet you think...:rolleyes:

Just heard on the local news- the argument that started things was over SAFETY GOGGLES!. Some people are just too stupid to breathe...
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I heard that too - apparently it started when he got mad because he was told to wear his goggles....:what:
 
It's a textbook example for the anti position.

Too bad someone didn't take his gd gun away from him.
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I'm not sure what to make of these seemingly contradictory comments by the OP.

You seem to bemoan the fact that these incidents are fuel for gun-grabbers...and then bemoan the fact that nobody grabbed his guns.
 
Hitting a little close to home....I work in Evansville and in a plastics factory :/ - Loki Fish

Definitely agree, I live and work in Evansville, Indiana.
 
And they should be held totally BLAMELESS when they have lax security and things like this happen, I'll bet you think...
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yes they should be blameless... an employee left, and came back...Most employees do that once a day... its called lunch... many do it more then once. Or would you rather a company strip search every one when the enter and leave? Or metal detectors every where?


here is a news flash, people generally go on shooting sprees, in places they are firmlair with. SO that generally means, schools, work, puplic places where they spend alot of time. The Gun free aspect plays no role in it what so ever.

do you think if every one had a gun on thier hip at that plant it would have stoped him from killing some one?


Gun free zones don't prevent crime, but the also do not increase it.
 
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