Please Recommend a First-Time Defensive Pistol

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I would give my left testic&% for a 1911 or a ruger sr9 but i cant afford either one around here

You could actually get a lot of money selling your left nut. Just saying. :)

If you really can only spend about $200 bucks you need to be searching your local supply of used guns. It is best to buy a used quality gun rather than a brand new el cheapo. Check out some used Glocks, , Rugers, XDs or M&Ps. Look at the plus side, if its used its probably already broken in so that saves you the initial break in period ammo expense.
 
Buy something older and used... beleive it or not.. most of the older stuff was built better than the stuff today. It doesn't have to look pretty.. it just has to do its job and work 100% of the time. You can get Glock Police trade in's all day for $350. I'll take a good ol' used glock over anything new for $350. And if the extra $50 is too much.. they how are you going to afford to buy ammo to practice with? Buy once.. cry once.
 
personally im 6'6" 225 I have NO need for a gun

If you think that's big, take a look at IFBB pro Kai Greene.

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He used to live in a bad neighborhood in Brooklyn. He once said in an interview that he has to wear extremely baggy clothing around town because all it takes is for one insecure knucklehead with a gun and that's the end of little ol' him.

A 3'-6" 87lb midget with a .357 is a hell of a lot more dangerous than an unarmed you.
 
but i bet as long as i heard you enter my house i wouldnt need a gun...my favorite gun ever..lousiville slugger..ill cave your head in before your brain registers pull the trigger
There was an episode of the "true crime" show "Cold Case Files" on A&E about a guy who thought exactly the same thing. After he was stabbed to death, the home invader who murdered him raped his wife and set the house on fire. Years later, the rapist/murderer was captured and convicted. The wife says she wishes she were dead.

Don't bring a bat to a knife fight. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

As far as where to buy a quality used handgun on the net, I've bought concealed carry guns from both CDNN and Summit Gun Broker. Both of them are honest and have very reasonable prices on used police guns. Summit almost always has great deals on used Glocks.
 
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If you are serious about defending your life, you should always cheat and always win. Use overwhelming force.
That is my nonnegotiable approach.

And I don't have a family. If I did, I certainly wouldn't essentially trust to luck when family members are involved. I don't know what that doctor in Connecticut did to defend himself and his family from the two degenerate monsters who invaded his home, but we DO know that neither was shot, he was savagely beaten, and his wife and daughters were raped and burned to death.

Don't give your wouldbe assailant a "fair shake". You can be sure he won't give you one.
 
I agree with jakemccoy. I would honestly discuss this with our wife, slow things down and save up $750 or so to pay for the gun, ammo, cleaning supplies, small safe (like a Gunvault) etc.

On a tight budget, a revolver has some big price advantages over autos when you consider the number of test rounds you need to fire with your chosen defensive ammo is MUCH less with a revolver. Good hollowpoint ammo gets pricey (an average of $1 per round), and firing 100 to 200 rounds of it in an auto to verify feed/extraction reliability obviously gets expensive. That's assuming you can find that much hollowpoint ammo in a single brand to test these days. OTH, with a revolver you can get by with only a cylinder or two full just to make sure the cases don't stick in the cylinder.

As for makes/models, I picked up this 4" .357 Magnum Ruger Police Service Six for $275 a few months ago. I recently saw a TON at a gunshow selling for $280-300. These come from LE agencies in Canada, as I think they just did a big trade in. I love mine, and wouldn't hesitate to buy another to pass down to my son when he turns 21. This is a very versatile gun, as it can shoot everything from 200 grain hardcast .357 Magnum loads for hunting big scary animals all the way down to 38 Special wax bullets for cheap (if messy) practice (a primed case with no powder punched into a bar of parifin wax). I'm about your size (6'7" and 210 lbs), and find the gun remarkably easy to conceal carry with a good belt and holster, should you decide to go that route one day.


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Other options include used S&W Model 10s and 64s (fixed sight .38 Specials, blued or stainless respectively) which can be found for low $200s if you are very patient. Either makes an excellent, reliable home defense gun for beginners and pros alike.

But for home protection, it's tough to beat a good pump shotgun. I know you said you live in an apartment, but then again something like #4 buckshot from a 12 or 20 gauge actually penetrates fewer walls (typically) than many medium and big bore handgun rounds. The only big drawback is the need for a bigger, pricier gunsafe, being that you have very young kids around that don't understand concequences yet.

In the end I have both options. I most certainly prefer a shotgun though, a 12 gauge Mossberg 590 pump loaded with 00 buck. There is just something extra comforting, knowing you can hurtle 9 .33 caliber lead balls at a badguy threating your life and the lives of your loved ones with the single pull of a trigger. God forbid it ever comes to that.
 
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But for home protection, it's tough to beat a good pump shotgun.
It depends entirely on YOUR apartment.

Where I grew up in Chicago, a shotgun (or a Mauser GEW98 with fixed sword bayonet) would have been great.

Where I live now, any non-NFA long gun is nearly worthless.
 
Has the CZ 82 been mentioned? It is top notch and can be had at CDNN for around 170 plus shipping/ffl or AIM (220 and better quality). The 9x18 is nothing to sneeze at and it is a quality handgun albeit a little heavy. I carry that more then my glocks except for my work (LEO).

An to caveat on what others have said about size, I have been to several shootings where the big tough guy got laid low by a 380 or smaller due to him thinking he didn't need a gun, but the other guy brought a gun. Remember better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Stay Safe.
 
Ok your right that the classes might not teach you much about how the gun works but tactics, techniques, and procedures are vital to any mission/outing/use of force. Right now you sound alot like my brother in law when he first was looking at a gun for the home. I took him out to my PD range and after some familirization fire with a couple hand guns (types SA/DA, striker, revolver, one with safety) I ran him through scenarios like no shoot ones, and multiple targets, gun jams/FTF (random snap cap), and that is when he saw that just having a hand gun is not enough. It could be but one should always be ready for Murphy to step in and kick you in the balls. :)
 
Hi, SR9, and welcome.

If you can, breeze on over to YouTube and do a search for the History Channel's production entitled AFTER ARMAGEDDON. There are any one of a number of disasters that can cause a societal meltdown -- some major, like a global pandemic, and some less so, like a major hurricane or earthquake -- and people who can't fend for themselves and their families can be in bad shape. In fact, the bigger and more intimidating you are physically, the more likely someone is to take you out before viictimizing your family.

There are many people in the U.S. who have guns, but relatively few have adequate amounts of ammunition.

Firearms maintain their value very well, and if you buy a Ruger or S&W, it makes an excellent investment. You'll always be able to sell it for what you paid for it, if not for more, especially if you find one used for a good price.

Revolvers are much more troublefree than autos, and you don't have to mess with buying new extractors or recoil and magazine springs like you do with autos.

Take a look at the video and discuss it with your intended. You buy home insurance, health insurance and life insurance. Remember that in New Orleans during Katrina, and in the Gulf States during Andrew, that there was no law enforcement, no emergency services of any type. Like it or not, guns are becoming increasingly necessary. In a major national breakdown, prisons would be opened and everyone would essentially be on their own.

A great first gun would be a Ruger Mark II/III. It's firepower and ability to use cheap, easily transportable ammo.
 
Starting out I would recommend a 9mm. Springfield XD-m, any Glock, S&W MP, or Taurus, all are fine semi-autos for you needs. Try to handle as many as you can and buy the one that fits your hand. Used can be an economical way to start out.
 
If you've never shot a pistol (from the sound of it this is the case) I wouldn't recommend getting a conceal carry gun till you're generally decently proficient with a handgun.
 
Starting out I would recommend a 9mm. Springfield XD-m, any Glock, S&W MP, or Taurus, all are fine semi-autos for you needs. Try to handle as many as you can and buy the one that fits your hand. Used can be an economical way to start out.
If he wants a semi-auto for carry and doesn't own any other handguns I wouldn't recommend something you're going to have to send back to the shop within the first six months of buying it.
 
Save your cash and get a good gun

Glock, Smith & Wesson M&P series, and the Springfield XD series are all outstanding firearms that are proven in LEO circles, and in competition. They are simple to operate, and they won't break the bank.

While you COULD find a $200.00 gun, I wouldn't want one, as most have not been put through the ringer as have the above mentioned firearms.
 
With the rebates on right now, you could get a S&W Sigma 9 or 40 for around $250. They are a great buy with the rebate. Or, look for a good used 38 special revolver. Your $200 limit is unreasonable. I wouldn't trust my life or the lives of my family to a $200 gun.
 
Save your cash and get a good gun

Glock, Smith & Wesson M&P series, and the Springfield XD series are all outstanding firearms that are proven in LEO circles, and in competition. They are simple to operate, and they won't break the bank.

While you COULD find a $200.00 gun, I wouldn't want one, as most have not been put through the ringer as have the above mentioned firearms.
Didn't the Atlanta PD send back their M&P autos lately or something?
 
Your price point makes things a bit tricky. If you can save up another $100-$200, then the world will be your oyster. However, you should be commended for sticking within your budget. I know someone mentioned it previously, but a used S&W Model 10 .38 Special will serve you well. They are in your price range and are everywhere. The M10 (Heavy Barrel is my preference) is easy to carry and certainly capable of handling bedside duties. Although I'm a proponent of the .45 ACP, a .38 is nothing to sneeze at. Besides, learning to tame a double action revolver will pay dividends down the road. When finances free up in the future, then move on to a Glock, SR9, or a 1911; but don't feel outgunned with a tried and true S&W revolver. Good luck with your search and let us know how you make out.

Cheers,
FnB
 
Didn't the Atlanta PD send back their M&P autos lately or something?

I don't know, could very well be.

I am basing my opinion on friends I shoot with in USPSA and IDPA. They shoot way more than the average gun owner, their M&P's (9mm in production and either S/ESP) have held up well, they like them, and they do well in competition. And while we all have our opinion about duty weapons, LEO agencies do test them to meet some kind of standard.

Perhaps the APD bought .40's?

.40's tend to be more finicky than 9mm's and .45's when it comes to load, mags etc. This is what alot of .40 shooters tell me that have owned and shot 9's and .45's prior to switching.

While I am a die hard 1911 .45 guy, I wouldn't hesitate to carry any of the "big 3" nines for defense if I had to, as they have all been proven to be reliable guns, and they aren't that expensive.

YMMV
 
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