Pocket Carry and Comfort: J-frame or Mini-9?

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I have grown really comfortable carrying my "J-frame" sized Taurus, but I'm wondering if I should add a smaller, flat semiauto to the stable for pocket carry. I carry strong-side front pocket, usually in an Uncle Mike's.

Particularly, since we're entering shorts weather :)

Was thinking about KelTec P11, and Kahr CW9 or PM9.

Anyone out there have both revolver/pistol experience and opinions on it?
 
I own/carry an Airlite JFrame most of the time. I used to own a PM9. The PM9 worked 100% until one night when I went to dispatch a deer I'd hit with the car. I stood over it, pointed the gun at it's head, pulled the trigger. Round went off, case failed to eject. I never had full confidence in the gun after that.

From my own experience pocket carrying those two guns, I find the J-Frame breaks up it's own outline better in a pocket holster than the Kahr did, but both are quite manageable.
 
I can't tell any real difference comfort wise between a J frame and a Kel-Tec .380, but there is a very real difference in reliability IMO. My Kel-Tec had an annoying habit of releasing the magazine in my pocket during a day of sitting, driving, walking, ect. especially if I carried it on the left side with the magazine release facing up where the outer fabic of my pants or shorts pressed against it. I wear either loose pants or cargo shorts on a daily bassis.

After a few times of taking the Kel-Tec out and finding the magazine released, it went away and my J frame was back on the job.
 
Ill second the first poster. I used to have a kahr cw9 carried iwb. I got lazy and wanted to carry in pocket and found that the kahr printed to much. After that I switched to a j-frame taurus as well, I would stick with it. Also, a semi-auto can jam and make things more complicated for you in the event of extreme need. I know that a revolver could possibly do the same, but it is far, far less likely.
 
You'd need some damn big pockets for a Kel-Tec P11 or even the PF-9. Both will print or leave the grip visible at the top. If you want a pocket carry you're going to have to drop to a bug size gun.
 
I carried a J-frame for a few months but since I got my LCP I find the j-frame huge. Plus the LCP holds 7 + 6 in a spare mag. And it's absolutely tiny.

The mini-9s aren't quite as small but the Kahr PM9 is pretty dang little. If I get another pocket auto that'll be it, I think.
 
For me?

J-frame.

That's just me, though.

I'm an experienced revolver owner & user and can shoot the steel & alloy J-frame guns well enough to feel justified in carrying them as off-duty (and now retirement CCW) weapons.

Not everyone finds J-frame revolvers 'easy' to shoot safely, accurately, controllably and effectively. Even among those who do, some draw the line at finding the steel frame models suitable but not the alloy models. Then there are further differing opinions expressed by users when you consider the Airweights and the Airlites, as well as .357 Magnum to .38 S&W Special models, and even among those using standard pressure .38 Spl loads versus +P loads.

Diminutive semiauto pistols are another situation where differences of opinion and personal experience can vary quite a bit.

I don't like to go any smaller than the G26/27 & CS9 designs, and those models relatively similar in size & weight. Even then, after careful consideration and experience I've found pocket holstered carry methods only work safely and effectively for me when used with a certain number of my jackets & coats. Otherwise I'm much better off using belt carry methods with these, and larger, pistols.

My J-frames allow me a wider range of pocket holster carry possibilities when wearing jackets, coats, jeans, slacks and shorts with either deep pockets or suitably stout cargo-type pockets. I've been able to given presentations and work seminars while unobtrusively carrying a J-frame in my slacks front pocket. Sitting can present a potential comfort issue upon occasion when it comes to the holstered weapon riding either on the thigh or being positioned to the outside of the thigh.

Naturally, there are some compromises to consider when choosing a pocket carry method when it comes to safe and effective Draw & Presentation issues, regardless of the platform design chosen.

Now, rather than make any generalized comments about the reliability of any particular design, I'd instead offer the comment that more often than not, day in and day out, it seems the shooter/user of the semiauto pistol is the more likely cause of many more functioning problems than any particular pistol, with the ammunition being a distant second probable cause of functioning issues. The 'best' diminutive pistol design on the market may not work well for an occasional shooter who can't use proper grip & shooting techniques which might be needed for a smaller platform.

I've handled and used a lot of different size pistols and revolvers. I've seen a lot of folks use a rather large range of various make/model revolvers and semiauto pistols over the years of working training & qualification ranges.

For myself, I've decided the J-frame .38 Spl is the optimal compromise for me, and for my perceived needs.

Other folks can, and have ... and will undoubtedly continue ... to choose whatever they find works 'best' for themselves.

It's all a compromise.
 
I pocket a PM9. Slimmer than a J-Frame. Can't complain about 7 shots of 1200fps +P JHP. This has been just as reliable as any Glock or HK I've seen. Not a single FTF or FTE to speak of.
 
I carry a S&W Model 36 in a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster whenever I know I"m going to have to disarm frequently (Post Office, posted businesses, restaurants with liquor licenses, etc.) It works very well. I see no need to carry a smaller gun.
 
Gbran, I have a G27, I sometimes pocket carry it with certain shorts, how do the PM9 and J frame compare?
 
I pocket carry with either a PM9 or a Smith 642 J-frame. They are very much alike to carry. I've been favoring the 642 recently because I believe revolvers are inherently more reliable, even though the PM9 has been fine.

Lou
 
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Gbran, I have a G27, I sometimes pocket carry it with certain shorts, how do the PM9 and J frame compare?
The PM9 is easiest (flat and small), J Frame next. The G26 or G27 are subcompacts, but heavier and blockier than the JFrame of PM9. Gotta have bigger pockets, but it can be done.
 
Between my PM9 and 642, I really prefer the Kahr in my pocket because of the overall dimensions - especially after adding Hogue grips to the S&W. I don't have any reliability concerns with the PM9 either.
 
I carry a P11 in my front pocket daily, IN a pocket holster. I don't wear tight jeans, though. Mostly dockers or 511's.

I HAD a 642 for pocket carry, but didn't like it. Sold it. Now I pocket carry 11rds of 9mm instead of 5rds .38.
 
I have both a PM9 and a S&W 642 and prefer the J-frame by a long shot. If you "choke up" on it, it's MUCH easier to get out of the pocket quickly, which is the biggest advantage with pocket carry in my opinion.

With the PM9 you have the width of your fist, PLUS the height of the slide. Most people tend to disagree with me on this, but that's my take on it.
 
Not all pockets are equal even on the same clothing line. I've got some Lee carpender jeans that have deeper pockets than other pairs of the same pants; I'll be paying close attention to pockets when purchasing jeans / shorts.

Amazingly, I discovered a S&W 442 could be hidden in my front pocket farily easily with an untucked shirt to cover the buldge (I'm anal about total concealment) ; I'm going to try my PM9 and see which is easier.

A box of Tic-Tacs in pocket in front of bottom front of holster goes a long way toward breaking outline.;)
 
For me it depends on the style of pants I am wearing. It's casual Friday here at my law firm and I'm wearing jeans, which means I've got my J Frame in my front pocket. If I have to wear a suit, I go with my Kel-Tec P32 as the J Frame looks huge in the pocket of my suit pants for some reason. When I wear khakis I usually can carry the J Frame as well. But in a suit, I always carry the much smaller Kel-Tec.
 
I've pocket carried my 442 on several occasions with little to no discomfort.

-Robb
 
If you're referring strictly about carrying comfort and not shooting qualities, a subcompact 9mm like the Kahr PM9 carries about the same as a lightweight snubnose revolver.
 
Thanks everyone

I was wondering which was more comfortable to pocket carry, not so much about the firepower -- so it sounds like there would be little difference in comfort between a lightweight J frame and a pocket Kahr. Thanks!
 
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