Really? How many times was Rodney King tased to almost no effect? Tasers have also been known to cause deaths, so they're not the non-lethal panacea that some believe them to be.
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Really? How many times was Rodney King tased to almost no effect? Tasers have also been known to cause deaths, so they're not the non-lethal panacea that some believe them to be.
rustymaggot said:
I didn't start this thread but I'll answer your question. Yes you are wrong. People with ccw permits,including students in university should be allowed to carry. Teachers in elementry and high schools and ccw holders should be allowed to carry. Eventually people will learn a gun free zone ain't a safety zone but a target rich enviroment for nut cases, criminals and terrs(does Beslan mean anything to anyone here?).
Berek said:
his question was about a non leo having a gun on school property. i wasnt saying cops shouldnt have guns at school. as far as i know, regular people cant bring guns on campus, even if they are locked in a case in the students car. my question was if i was wrong.
LAK said:
I carry a PR-24, reciewve regular trainig on it and it is the most useless peice of plastic I have every seen for dealing with an EDP. I prefer OC and or an ASP baton. The fancy TJ Hooker PR-24 moves rarely work on the people I deal with.
sithanas said:
Not really I have beyond the Rodeny King instance I remember seeing a news clip form the Atlanta Metro area in the 80's where a PCP user was whipping several time his weight in coppers. A sgt runs up and clearly tells everyonme ot back off, pops the guy in the chest with a tazer.The guy does the dying cockroach for a few seconds , then smiles and begind walkining down the wire to the sgt with an evil grin on his face. No less than lethal weapon will work on everyone . Sometimes they all fail and it becomes an endurance test if it's a situation where lethal force can't be used. Personally as I stated earlier I'd like to see the target rich enviroment zones(Gun Free zones done away with).
GruntII said:
One of the problems with situations like that is the taser is only normally engaged for about five seconds, thus the PCPed whackjob getting back up. The new tasers hit for 10 seconds at the beginning, and switch to 30 second pulse with a second tap of the trigger.
I'm not saying they're non-lethal, either, just less-lethal. And personally, I'd use one as a submission device rather than a be-all end-all of defense. Just something to give me time to get the hell away and get a good firing position.
And a guy upped on PCP won't notice anything outside of a direct head shot for at least a couple minutes, which is unfortunate. Even a heart/lung shot won't stop them fast enough to keep from causing severe damage to their target(s).
A little background on FAU police. They have a HQ on campus and if you call 911 they come. We dont have FAU security per se, just them and they are armed.
I tried to find my police friends today but couldn't find them. As for the petite woman, I dont want to get involved in a debate, but I will say for the work they do I dont believe they are at much of a handicap.
Jesse
I tried to find my police friends today but couldn't find them. As for the petite woman, I dont want to get involved in a debate, but I will say for the work they do I dont believe they are at much of a handicap.
Jesse
GruntII said:
this must be a record for me. ive never been misunderstood to this degree on this forum as i have on this question. what my question is is if having a gun that is locked in your car a crime when you are on a campus.
I prefer an ASP type baton as well; although I would not say that the PR-24 is useless. It really depends on the skill of the user; and there are a few things you can do with a PR-24 that you can not really do with an expandable baton and visa versa.GruntII said:
But my point in bringing them up was that they are an intermediate level of force; non-lethal - but easily and instantly elevated to lethal if needed - intended and suitable for situations such as the one in question.
My own opinion on OC is that it is unreliable; too many variables involved.
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It is definately harder to fire when being fired upon. I for one have actually fired by holding my weapon as far above my head and firing wild into a tree line with out raising my head to even peep over the earthmover blade I was hiding behind. Just like in the movies, huh?EZ CZ75 said:
rustymaggot said:
My apologies I understood you to be asking if you were wrong to think guns should be banned form a school campus. No offense meant.
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THe REAL Question
The real question here is would an ordinary citizen who shot under these circumstances have been treated the same way the cop is treated?
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Chuck
The real question here is would an ordinary citizen who shot under these circumstances have been treated the same way the cop is treated?
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Chuck
noresttill said:
Biker said:Hooookay. Time to stir up the pot. Maybe we shouldn't hire small women as Popo?
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You know I was thinking the same thing. The smaller the officer is the larger the likelihood is that a lot of force will need to be used (just guessing here, no facts to back this up). If one can't intimidate with one's size, whip out the gun!
There used to be a requirement in Maine where Trooper's must be 6 foot minimum. The thought being, that alone on patrol in the boonies, their size would be an asset. I personally think that a large person (as a cop) is more likely to be granted respect by the size, than one small in stature weilding a weapon to make up for being small.
If you are a man and weigh 140, you are smallish to most men. If you are a woman weighing in at 120 you are smaller than nealy all men. The point being small men and small women are going to feel threatened by some and most of the male population, resectively, and will therefore have the legal justification to use "deadly force" more often than a cop that is bigger than average.
I am a former college basketball player and I tower over most people, including most officers.
I know that my size bothers a lot of LEOs, which is why I wouldn't do anything as foolish as lunging at one (while they are attempting to arrest me, for that matter). Reaching into one's pockets is not a good idea, either. In my neck of the woods, that sort of behaviour is called "suicide by cop."
I think the police, in this case, did what they were forced to do.
I know that my size bothers a lot of LEOs, which is why I wouldn't do anything as foolish as lunging at one (while they are attempting to arrest me, for that matter). Reaching into one's pockets is not a good idea, either. In my neck of the woods, that sort of behaviour is called "suicide by cop."
I think the police, in this case, did what they were forced to do.
rustymaggot said:
The answer to that question is entirely dependent upon the laws of your state and the policy of the school. Real-life example: In Utah, I can legally carry on any public school campus with my valid CFP. Private schools, being private property, can prohibit me from carrying on their property. The University of Utah has taken the position that it can prohibit its students and employees from carrying on U of U property. The Attorney-General has challenged that assertion and the case is now before the Utah Supreme Court.
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