jakemccoy
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If you shot the shooter, would you talk to the media, or would you shut up and get a lawyer?
Possible reason CCW are not on media...
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siglite
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Oh, I'd be clammed up like fort knox. Any statement would go through my attorney(s). And I'd expect silence from them outside the courtroom.
Good point.
Good point.
politicalgeek
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+1 on the attorney
Part of the mental prep for me getting to the point that I am starting to CC is the mindset of "Not with out my attorney present". The last thing you want is to make an off the cuff statement that could be used in a civil or criminal trial. Better to consult an attorney and release a statement, if any, through them.
Part of the mental prep for me getting to the point that I am starting to CC is the mindset of "Not with out my attorney present". The last thing you want is to make an off the cuff statement that could be used in a civil or criminal trial. Better to consult an attorney and release a statement, if any, through them.
glockman19
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The card in my wallet with my CCW permits is that of a Pro 2A attorney.
Anonymous Coward
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Why?
Do you really expect anyone to press charges or file a suit against you?
I can't possibly see how there'd be any chance of someone mistaking your actions as right and proper.
Do you really expect anyone to press charges or file a suit against you?
I can't possibly see how there'd be any chance of someone mistaking your actions as right and proper.
ashtxsniper
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I would talk to a lawyer first before giving the press an interview.
Patrick123
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Civil Suits
Civil law suits would seem to be all the rage now from the family of the poor victim. ( dead bad guy )
Civil law suits would seem to be all the rage now from the family of the poor victim. ( dead bad guy )
Double Naught Spy
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Then you are very naive.
First, after such a shooting, do you really know everything that happened? Do you know that everything you did was legal? Are you sure you ONLY shot the bad guy and that you can account for each and every bullet (not shot, but physical bullet)? Are you in a state that allows for suits to be filed against those who commit violence against bad guys, such as by the bad guy or his family?
Last, how would this sort of self defense situation differ from any other one in terms of legalities? Just because it happened at a mall doesn't mean you should be talking to the media.
geronimotwo
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waiting for an attorney's advice is probably the best opinion. however, if i had shot someone, i would have been "in fear for my life" and would still be "very emotionally upset". i don't think i would be able to say much more than that.
1911 guy
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Lawyer up. Even if it was 100 percent justified and you were articulate, everything you said would be taken out of context. Shut up and lawyer up. Same goes for the cops. I was in fear for my life and I want a lawyer are the only things you should say.
The reporter might be on your side, the cop taking a statement might be on your side. What about their editors and prosecutors?
The reporter might be on your side, the cop taking a statement might be on your side. What about their editors and prosecutors?
30 cal slob
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BTDT.
Post-incident (no shot fired but I drew), some members of the press came up to me on the scene and asked me what happened. I beseeched them to leave my face and name out of the papers/tv (and thankfully they complied). I told them I didn't want to be a target for retaliation, as some perps were on the loose. Also, flapping your gums on the boob tube, if it doesn't lead you into legal hot water, can get you there politically if the d.a. or chief who happens to be watching you doesn't like what he sees and then pushes for a prosecution. Fear of getting sued was actually the last thing on my mind.
I state the obvious here ... if you're ever on the tube and you are shielded from criminal and civil liability - you have an obligation to all law-abiding CCW'ers to be a model of sound judgement and restraint. I don't think I've seen on tv an interviewee that made me cringe ... (yet) ... let's keep it that way.
Post-incident (no shot fired but I drew), some members of the press came up to me on the scene and asked me what happened. I beseeched them to leave my face and name out of the papers/tv (and thankfully they complied). I told them I didn't want to be a target for retaliation, as some perps were on the loose. Also, flapping your gums on the boob tube, if it doesn't lead you into legal hot water, can get you there politically if the d.a. or chief who happens to be watching you doesn't like what he sees and then pushes for a prosecution. Fear of getting sued was actually the last thing on my mind.
I state the obvious here ... if you're ever on the tube and you are shielded from criminal and civil liability - you have an obligation to all law-abiding CCW'ers to be a model of sound judgement and restraint. I don't think I've seen on tv an interviewee that made me cringe ... (yet) ... let's keep it that way.
Before you speak with the media (or police) you need to have a lawyer. Start practicing your "no comment" routine. Be careful of 2faced reports. They like to soften you up with "your a hero" blablabla and then they edit what you say when they broadcast. Ethics is journalism is a myth.
Mannlicher
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The prudent person would do everything possible to keep from being identified if they were the Citizen that stopped a mass killer.
Remember, the MSM is the enemy. You don't have to justify, or defend any statement you do NOT make.
Remember, the MSM is the enemy. You don't have to justify, or defend any statement you do NOT make.
ZeSpectre
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.
The media is out for a sensational story to sell air time. They don't give a damn what damage they may do to you in the meanwhile. KEEP YER TRAP SHUT!
As for that being a reason CCW isn't in the media, I don't agree. I know a lot of items where people won't talk to the media and the events get reported just the same. Still it was an idea worth thinking about.
The media is out for a sensational story to sell air time. They don't give a damn what damage they may do to you in the meanwhile. KEEP YER TRAP SHUT!
As for that being a reason CCW isn't in the media, I don't agree. I know a lot of items where people won't talk to the media and the events get reported just the same. Still it was an idea worth thinking about.
It doesn't matter how justified the incident is - you say nothing - you speak to no one, you call a lawyer immediately. One mis-spoken word can land you in jail or into a civil battle - if there is any inkling at all that the perp was shot (and especially if killed) for absolutely any other reason than self defense, you're toast - a CCL is a license to carry but not a license to kill, and the bad guy's family's lawyer will be out to prove your intent was to simply kill, not to stop a gunman, or to save your life or the life of someone else.
And especially if you go trouncing towards the cameras, making statements to the media - you might be a hero in a sense, but let your lawyer do the talking.
And especially if you go trouncing towards the cameras, making statements to the media - you might be a hero in a sense, but let your lawyer do the talking.
QuackAddict
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This was what I would say:
I was in fear of my life, and was afraid I (or/and my family) would be hurt or killed.
You will have my full cooperation within 24 hours after I have contacted my attorney.
Until that time, I have no further comments regarding this incident.
I was in fear of my life, and was afraid I (or/and my family) would be hurt or killed.
You will have my full cooperation within 24 hours after I have contacted my attorney.
Until that time, I have no further comments regarding this incident.
silverking
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The best media reports are most often very short-----"Man (or woman) with concealed carry weapon permit shoots gun wielding would be carjacker. No charges will be filed against car owner." End of story!
I won't get this exactly right, but Massad Ayoob went through the list of what to do in this situation on Personal Defense TV.
1. Immediately identify to the police when they arrive that you are the complainant and you wish to file a report against the bad guy. (I loved how he phrased this. He said you have to immediately identify yourself as the victim because if you just shot the bad guy, he's on the ground bleeding, doing a pretty good impression of a victim.)
2. Point to any and all evidence as casings and other things get blown and kicked around, stuck in boots etc.
3. State that you will be happy to cooperate fully in 24 hours after consulting with an attorney.
I think there was another one between 2 and 3, but I can't remember what it was.
Edit: Looking back at other posts, I think it may be the "I was in fear for my life statement."
1. Immediately identify to the police when they arrive that you are the complainant and you wish to file a report against the bad guy. (I loved how he phrased this. He said you have to immediately identify yourself as the victim because if you just shot the bad guy, he's on the ground bleeding, doing a pretty good impression of a victim.)
2. Point to any and all evidence as casings and other things get blown and kicked around, stuck in boots etc.
3. State that you will be happy to cooperate fully in 24 hours after consulting with an attorney.
I think there was another one between 2 and 3, but I can't remember what it was.
Edit: Looking back at other posts, I think it may be the "I was in fear for my life statement."
MD_Willington
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"I am under duress, I need my attorney present"...
That's it.
That's it.
MachIVshooter
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Depends. If you could speak clearly and cogniscently, the court of public opinion could be your best friend. Of course, say the wrong thing, and you're screwed.
TargetTerror
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ABSOLUTELY!!! I live in MA. To say that gun-owners live in a hostile political environment is the understatement of the century. A Boston or Cambridge DA would charge me with whatever they could, and I'd expect them to.
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