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no criminal case. unless your state specifically forbids civil action as a result of self defense shootings, you're gonna get sued.
 
It's probably been said but.
IF you can't afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.

Personally it's another area I'm sick and tired of.

The LAW is supposed to be able to be understood by ALL of us
and we ALL should be able to discern the law and have equal access to the system.
It should NOT be as convoluted as it is now
and the good old boy network of lawyers/judges (I went to school to learn the law stuff
how dare you try to defend yourself, give ME some money and I can do it for you) should not apply.

We have a REAL problem with the laws in this land and how a 'hierarchy'
has been established to get due process of law.
 
I live in Texas. I'm not worried about it.

Besides, it's like my grandad said - "it's just money - you can always make more".
 
Armed Citizens’ Legal Defense Network

Save your 85 bucks.

They are nothing but a consulting firm. If your attorney needs help, then find a new attorney.

Putting your assets in trusts protects your money.
Think like the Rockefellers, control everything, own nothing(trusts)

Live in a state or get your state to protect you against suits in a justified shoot.

Some personal liability umbrella policies cover legal expenses.

But remember in 95% of legal help, you get what you pay for.
 
in Washington we have this law

RCW 9A.16.110
Defending against violent crime -- Reimbursement.

(1) No person in the state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting by any reasonable means necessary, himself or herself, his or her family, or his or her real or personal property, or for coming to the aid of another who is in imminent danger of or the victim of assault, robbery, kidnapping, arson, burglary, rape, murder, or any other violent crime as defined in RCW 9.94A.030.

(2) When a person charged with a crime listed in subsection (1) of this section is found not guilty by reason of self-defense, the state of Washington shall reimburse the defendant for all reasonable costs, including loss of time, legal fees incurred, and other expenses involved in his or her defense. This reimbursement is not an independent cause of action. To award these reasonable costs the trier of fact must find that the defendant's claim of self-defense was sustained by a preponderance of the evidence. If the trier of fact makes a determination of self-defense, the judge shall determine the amount of the award.

(3) Notwithstanding a finding that a defendant's actions were justified by self-defense, if the trier of fact also determines that the defendant was engaged in criminal conduct substantially related to the events giving rise to the charges filed against the defendant the judge may deny or reduce the amount of the award. In determining the amount of the award, the judge shall also consider the seriousness of the initial criminal conduct.

Nothing in this section precludes the legislature from using the sundry claims process to grant an award where none was granted under this section or to grant a higher award than one granted under this section.

(4) Whenever the issue of self-defense under this section is decided by a judge, the judge shall consider the same questions as must be answered in the special verdict under subsection (4) [(5)] of this section.

(5) Whenever the issue of self-defense under this section has been submitted to a jury, and the jury has found the defendant not guilty, the court shall instruct the jury to return a special verdict in substantially the following form:


answer yes or no
1. Was the finding of not guilty based upon self-defense? . . . . .
2. If your answer to question 1 is no, do not answer the remaining question.
3. If your answer to question 1 is yes, was the defendant:
a. Protecting himself or herself? . . . . .
b. Protecting his or her family? . . . . .
c. Protecting his or her property? . . . . .
d. Coming to the aid of another who was in imminent danger of a heinous crime? . . . . .
e. Coming to the aid of another who was the victim of a heinous crime? . . . . .
f. Engaged in criminal conduct substantially related to the events giving rise to the crime with which the defendant is charged? . . . . .

best to be darn sure you are in the right.

Bobby
 
Not in Arizona!!!

ARS 13-405. Justification; use of deadly physical force

A person is justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another:

1. If such person would be justified in threatening or using physical force against the other under section 13-404, and

2. When and to the degree a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly physical force.


ARS 13-413. No civil liability for justified conduct

No person in this state shall be subject to civil liability for engaging in conduct otherwise justified pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp
 
"There should be insurance for this like there is with cars and houses. For defense counsel purposes only, not to pay liabilities because of a wrongful shoot.

I think the premium cost could be really low, since there are very very few justifiable defense shootings that end up in law suits. And even when they do, the costs are pretty limited (no attorney is going to want $1,000,000 to defend you, such as is often awarded in negligent injury/homicide cases). And since the insurance wouldn't cover your damages if found guilty, the costs can be mitigated down to the thousands instead of unknown amounts to be determined after trial."

Excellent post, Roost. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter.
 
I never understood that. You're found guilty but instead of going to jail for murder, you pay a few grand! If I'm guilty of justifiable SD and have to pay, good luck on getting a dime out of me! If it's unjustifiable, let me go to jail.
 
CHL Legal Help

In Texas, I belong to CHL Protection Plan (chlpp.com). The promise is that if I don't violate any law, they will defend me in court. My CHL instructor recommended them to me.

I'm happy to say I have had no need for their services, so far. The closest I have come was when a policeman stopped me for an expired inspection sticker. I was carrying so I hander over my DL, CHL, and insurance proof at the same time. He looked them all over and told me how to handle the expired sticker.

There is no question that I would still be carrying if I didn't have this coverage. Better in a law suit than a coffin.

For what it's worth, the customer service number for chlpp is 866-851-9744.
 
That reminds me, I need to get some Moon Rock Insurance sometime this week. You know, in case a moon rock hits me on the head.

Would probably be a wise move to remove the testimonial on their website from their National Sales Director. That's kind of like Big Al from Big Al's Tires telling you he knows a great place to get a deal on tires.

:D
 
Think about a living will or incorporate now before something happens.
 
...$15,000 in attorney fees in a criminal defense and an additional $15,000 in a civil defense on your behalf in a completely justifiable defensive shooting.

15K is nothing for the privilage of being alive tomorrow or being able to hug my wife and children who might not be here if I didn't defend them.

The 15K civil defense part we don't really have to worry about here in Texas if it was a justifiable shoot, we have a law against that now.
 
honestly, i could afford it.

it wouldnt be easy, and thats not pocket change, but i could do it.

i had a motorcycle accident that required surgury a few years back and it was a similar deal.

i didnt have insurance, it was a dirtbike, and i needed it for my left ankle.

the dr. would not do it till i came up with just under 13k.

he said i didnt have to have it to live, but would if i ever wanted to flex my ankle again.

so for 3 weeks i would wake up with my left foot pointed the wrong way while raising it. nightmare in real life. gotta love our health care system, but i really cant complain. i did it.

i couldnt wear a hard cast till after the surgury because of swelling issues. i will never forget asking the dr "how many places is it broken?" his reply? "imagine your fibula and tibia, from the shin down, as being pea gravel"

alrighty then!!!!!

had to come up with cash for the hardware, anesthesiologist, facility, recovery, and 50% of the orthopedic surgeons fees, which amounted around 13k.

i sold things (motorcycles)

sorry for being sorta off topic, but its kinda the same as far as the money goes.

i would sell thing again if i had to. but honestly, i could probably swing it.

of course i wouldnt even think about it with gary gangster kicking my door in. he would be in a bigger hurry to get back out.

he wouldnt make it.
 
I was discussing this post with my brother who lives in a state that has castle laws. If one were living in a state with said law then would you be protected? What about civil cases that might follow?
 
I was discussing this post with my brother who lives in a state that has castle laws. If one were living in a state with said law then would you be protected? What about civil cases that might follow?

IF you brother lives in a state with a properly constructed "Castle Doctrine" statute (like South Carolina), if there are no criminal charges in an SD shooting then no civil suits can brought.
 
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