Potential new "addiction" DQ ?

[bk42261]

To get a reasonable price on my company's new health insurance, as a
smoker, I'm required to "participate" in smoking cessation classes.
ONLY two per year , but checking the options for these classes, it is ALWAYS designated as an "addiction"
How long before the feds determine that attending these sessions amount to me being unable to own firearms as I am a self-confessed "addict"
Am I just being paranoid, or does this bother anyone else?

 

[splithoof]

One more way to expand the classes of those citizens who are prohibited. One more reason to be very careful how/if anyone answers questions on any form, interview, etc. When it comes to medical forms, I never answer any question, either verbally or in writing, that might suggest anything other than perfect normalcy, even if it is an outright lie. Unethical? Perhaps, but understand that the political agenda of those who wish absolute state control are neither honest, ethical, or care one hoot about my civil rights.

 

[bk42261]

My thoughts exactly.

 

[AppealPlay]

Have you considered smokeless tobacco? Allow me to recommend Copenhagen Southern Blend.

 

[MErl]

I wouldn't be paranoid about addiction to tobacco being a DQ offense for firearms anytime soon. As for other non THR subjects, yeah.

 

[2A Citizen]

To get a reasonable price on my company's new health insurance, as a
smoker, I'm required to "participate" in smoking cessation classes.
ONLY two per year , but checking the options for these classes, it is ALWAYS designated as an "addiction"
How long before the feds determine that attending these sessions amount to me being unable to own firearms as I am a self-confessed "addict"
Am I just being paranoid, or does this bother anyone else?

Yep. You're being Paranoid. And you have plenty of reason to be that way.

If we look around us in MSM, social conversations, and many many forums, we see & read all kinds of paranoia-inducing fodder. The addiction you have of smoking is not an addiction that the Fed wants to attend to.
POTUS just mentioned his smoking or lack there of just this past week (And 9'll get you ten, he still puffs when he's stressed!). Waaay too many people are closet smokers too. And not to be taken lightly is; Smoking is legal.

YMMV~

 

[Carl N. Brown]

ATF Form 4473, Question 11, Prohibited person:
. . . . .
e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijauna or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
. . . . .

I don't think they mean addicted to nicotine; "marijauna or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance" include some specific schedules of legal and illegal drugs under federal control.

Now, if they decide to make caffeine a federally controlled substance, I'll worry.

Controlled substance. A drug or other
substance, or immediate precursor, as
defined in section 102 of the Controlled
Substances Act, 21 U.S.C. 802. The term
includes, but is not limited to, marijuana,
depressants, stimulants, and narcotic
drugs. The term does not include distilled
spirits, wine, malt beverages, or tobacco,
as those terms are defined or used in Subtitle
E of the Internal Revenue Code of
1954, as amended.

--2005 edition of the Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide

 

[NavyLCDR]

ATF Form 4473, Question 11, Prohibited person:
. . . . .
e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijauna or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
. . . . .

I don't think they mean addicted to nicotine; "marijauna or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance" include some specific schedules of legal and illegal drugs under federal control.

Now, if they decide to make caffeine a federally controlled substance, I'll worry.


--2005 edition of the Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide

You bring up an interesting point. A person can be addicted to lots of different depressants and/or stimulants and not be violating the law. Alcoholism is not against the law nor is Nicotine. The exact prohibition in Federal law in 18 USC 922 is:

(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

One thing AA teaches is brutal honesty, right? So, if an alohoic answers yes on the form 4473 that they are addicted to alcohol (which by itself is neither illegal nor prohibiting for fireams) they will be denied the sale even though the sale would be legal. I wonder if there is a lawsuit there somewhere? The form 4473 question needs to be changed to comply with the Federal law.

 

[xfyrfiter]

So why not legalize and tax all the other recreational drugs of which nicotine and etoh are classed as. The tax base on MJ alone would put a very large dent in the national debt.

 

[Sam1911]

Look, this is just too far out on the "way out there" horizon to even be worth discussing. Heck, what if I'm addicted to Cheetos or watching MASH reruns?

As said, IF tobacco ever becomes an illegal substance, then sure we'll have a reason to worry.

Fight that that doesn't happen. 'Till then, not really a "present," real problem we can deal with here.

 

[tactikel]

Please understand that obamacare may require that you conform to the ideals they ascribe to. Obese?lose weight or be fined.tobacco or alcohol use attend classes or pay a fine each month. They will attempt to change your lifestyle to conform to what THEY deem acceptable.

 

[Cosmoline]

I'm addicted to Mosin-Nagants. The prescription is more Mosin-Nagants!

 

[2A Citizen]

I don't think they mean addicted to nicotine;

Uh, yes 'they' do. He's talking about his health insurer. And they also want to know about Sugar addictions, I'll bet At least they did in NC because of the insurance industries attention on the obesity there. What the OP needs to realize is, Insurers have an obligation to at least appear to be making a difference in their clients lives....It's for the children ya know.

You bring up an interesting point. A person can be addicted to lots of different depressants and/or stimulants and not be violating the law. Alcoholism is not against the law nor is Nicotine. The exact prohibition in Federal law in 18 USC 922 is:



One thing AA teaches is brutal honesty, right? So, if an alohoic answers yes on the form 4473 that they are addicted to alcohol (which by itself is neither illegal nor prohibiting for fireams) they will be denied the sale even though the sale would be legal. I wonder if there is a lawsuit there somewhere? The form 4473 question needs to be changed to comply with the Federal law.

No. No lawsuit there. And I suspect the firearms dealer would look at you and wonder if you were high.
That might be brutal honesty as you say, but legally they would be incorrect. Reason being that as you stated and know Alcohol is not a controlled substance for the purposes of this form.

 

[MICHAEL T]

I quit cold turkey after 47 years and 3 packs a day. You can quit if you want not easy but every day it gets better Been smoke free over 10 years . You can do it.

 

[Sol]

But if you quit the chances are you'll gain weight causing further health problems ultimatley increasing insurance costs!