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My main concern with a true SHTF scenario would be ammo. I can't carry the 5k rounds I have stockpiled (not really but I thought it sounded good) and I know everybody and their brother has a 30-30. So I can get ammo just about anywhere.
Lever actions are neat (I may have to get one someday), but around here, .223 and 7.62x39mm are a lot more common. I actually don't know anyone personally who has a .30-30, but can count several coworkers and acquaintances who own self-loading carbines in 7.62x39mm and .223.
 
My dad has an old sears model 54, essentially a winchester 30-30 lever action equivalent, it was even made by winchester for sears, i guess the only difference was the rollstamp for sears

it makes quite the handy lil deer rifle actually, Im a carbine kind of guy so I appreciate the smallish types of rifles :D

It would get the job done.
 
It's All About Follow-Up

Mr. Thomas,

First, let me thank you for your service. I understand you reluctance to use semi-automatic rifles and disdain for supressive fire, based on your wartime experiences. I'm not going to try to talk you out of your stated position, but to tell you a bit about my war and hopefully provide you with a bit of take-away from it.

Here in Baghdad, an IED is sometimes used as a trigger for a more coordinated attack, similar to initiating an ambush with the most casualty producing weapon. In an enclosed area with fire coming from multiple points, with many other potential points of fire (some with the advantage of height), the vicinity around the patrol must be cleared. Windows, doorways, alley entrances, roof lines, et al that have been ID'd as having active shooters are fired upon or supressed in order to allow an assaulting element to get into a positively ID'd building. It is not the "mad minute" that you know. Supressive fire is less precise fire, I grant you. But in an urban environment, this fire is not indiscriminant. The fire focuses on small areas within a Soldier's individual sector of fire (as dictated by METT-T). Automatic and semi-automatic weapons allow an adequate volume of fire to cover the movement of an assault element to an objective building. Once that assault element is in place and ready for it's final move into the building, the fire stops and shooters only engage targets of opportunity that should appear.

Which leads me to my next point. Exposure times are fleeting, sometimes measured in the barest of seconds. The snap shot that you just took will require an immediate better-aimed shot just afterward. A bolt-action rifle precludes this shot. With a '50's vintage semi rifle (FAL/M14) the shot comes too late because of the slower action. The current family of M16/M4 rifles because of their in-line design and lack of a gas piston allows for a faster follow-up shot.

Mr. Thomas, in one of your earlier posts in this thread you reference an incident in Pittsburgh. I am guessing that you live near there if not in an urban area, a suburban one. An area with many structures both personal and commerical, no doubt. Most SHTF scenarios are based on incidents happening in an urban/suburban setting. A semi-automatic rifle firing a middle-weight cartridge of sufficient length should fit the requirements of home defense/SHTF/target-proficiency shooting.

AATW,

Mike
 
SHTF scenarios are just that-scenarios. I say just enjoy rifle shooting and quit worrying about scenarios. Me, I plan to pop all the would-bees in the eyes from my rooftop using any one of several .22s (semis and bolts). (Would-bees are just overfed squirrels anyway) Mr. Thomas, I'll bet you probably trained with an M14 (M1A) and are quite familiar and comfortable with it's characteristics, so this is indeed, all academic. If you really want an M1A bad enough, maybe you better worry about that real SHTF scenario.......when your wife finds out! P.S. I'm surprised that no one has suggested a pump action rifle in a mild caliber like .243 (or a .30-30 like I have)
 
My 2 cents.......if you are sure you can keep your enemy further away than say 50 or 100yards, the bolt gun would do fine.

The problem is if you cannot keep them from closing with you. The closer you get to them the more important your rate of fire becomes. Full auto would be desireable inside 20 yards or so, not many of us have that tho.:(
 
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