Pre-modified Saiga - Who's Doing It?

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Who's doing it? All of the cool kids. Same with smoking and sleeping with loose women. :D

Look for a quality brand like Tromix, if you can get your hands on one.
 
Tennessee Guns, Inc. is supplying Atlantic, AIM, Centerfire and probably anybody else who wants them.

In my opinion, you can spend the same money and do it yourself and get a better rifle out of it. . .

(there are reviews of this rifle on this forum)
 
I believe Corria, from FBMG, do some of those. Not positive but I thought I saw it in passing. A quick search should answer your question.
 
exar said:
I believe Corria, from FBMG, do some of those. Not positive but I thought I saw it in passing. A quick search should answer your question.[/quote[ FBMG isn't supplying the above companies I listed.

Tennessee Guns, Inc. is cutting every corner it can to fill the supply chain with cheap conversions.

Caveat Emptor ( read the reviews on these ).

SimpleIsGood229 said:
Atlantic Firearms said:
FYI our newest batch of Saiga rifles have the feed ramp installed
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If I may ask, how are they secured?
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One of the guys on the Saiga forum got one where the guide fell out.

It apparently was glued in place.
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SimpleIsGood229 said:
Yeah, I saw that. I'm wondering if that's changed in the new batch.
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That IS the new batch.

The old batch had a line of weld run across the front of the trunnion as the "bullet guide".
 
Half (no make that 2/3) of the fun of having a converted Saiga is doing the conversion yourself.

You can get the bullet guide from K-VAR or Dinzag, or do like I did and fabricate it yourself from 3/4" black iron pipe.

Conventional wisdom is to drill and tap the bottom of the trunion and then screw the bullet guide in with a #6 machine screw.

After reading a few theads about broken taps and then breaking a #6 tap myself, my suggestion is to go straight to a #8 tap and then apply either thread locker or apoxy to the threeads.

The commies install the bullet guide with a rivot (no, not an aluminum pop rivot), but unless you have the correct rivot mandrel and are used to doing that sort of work, I wouldn't recommend it.

My 2 cents, worth exactly what you paid for it.
 
I just put 100 rounds of hot shot through mine about an hour ago.

If pre-converted Saigas have a serious problem with them, then I didnt see it. Everything is still straight, still even, still working, still in one piece on mine. It also shot better than any other AK I've tried (not saying much, since i've only tried the 'el-cheapo' AKs out beofre this one).

The only problem I was having was feed problems, which I blame on the PoS pro-mag magizine that came with it. Can't wait for my steel mags to get here...

Aslo, I thought RJA, not TGI, were supplying most of these...
 
SSN VET said:
The commies install the bullet guide with a rivot (no, not an aluminum pop rivot), but unless you have the correct rivot mandrel and are used to doing that sort of work, I wouldn't recommend it.
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. . . but it's fun hand hammering a rivet into your in-gun trunnion . . .

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[quote=RP88]Aslo, I thought RJA, not TGI, were supplying most of these...[/quote] Dude, that is not High Road at all.

I think you should apologize to Red Jacket for defaming him that way.
 
Dear RJA,

I feel compelled and obligated to issue a formal apology due to an unintentional mix-up that may be perceived as an insult to your fine company. Please do not take it personal.

Regards,

---RP88
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There ya go.

Seriously, though, for anyone who is interested in them: they may not be a cut above like your more costly custom jobs, but they are a good step above just about anything else in that price range.

Also, I havent experienced any 'bullet weld' problems thus far. I would surely hope mine doesnt have any problems either, especially one involving the whole thing falling out...
 
RP88, how is your bullet guide secured?
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^^^is that the 'weld guide'? That ugly jagged razor shard on the lip of the flat right there?

If so, mine doesnt have anything like that. In fact, nothing is there. At all. No bulls---... Not rivet or anything to suggest a bullet guide, no filed down metal, nothing. To get a visual of my chamber, just look at the one in the pic and pretend that that silvery ***-ever-that-is ramp isnt there.

I wish I could have made this post sooner, after finding out. I gotta say that I am both a bit embarrassed because I learned this after I made my last post in this topic, showing how much I still have to learn about firearms, but also am quite concerned and curious on how the hell my AK managed to cycle so many rounds without any problems. It had some odd failure-to-feed problems on the very last round of that pro mag that came with it that were simply fixed by pulling back the charge handle. Because of that consistency, I'm inclined to blame it on the mag for now.

I think I need to post pics of my chamber and such ASAP... I also need to go look at some more AK internals and figure out how the hell I missed something that obvious.:banghead:
 
.If so, mine doesnt have anything like that. In fact, nothing is there. At all. No bulls---... Not rivet or anything to suggest a bullet guide, no filed down metal, nothing...........but also am quite concerned and curious on how the hell my AK managed to cycle so many rounds without any problems
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I don't know for sure....but the answer may be the Pro-Mag.

When you get your steel mil. surp. AK mags, closely compare the leading edge with the pro mag.

If the pro mag is ~1/8" taller, then that's serving as your "bullet guide"

In that case, you rifle may not function with the mil. surp mags. at all.

Don't despair though, the simple answer is to install a bullet guide yourself. Or you can simply use the pro mags exclusively and dump your mil. surp mags on the "for sale" board. Heck, for the right price, I'll take 'em off your hands.
 
It had some odd failure-to-feed problems on the very last round of that pro mag that came with it that were simply fixed by pulling back the charge handle. Because of that consistency, I'm inclined to blame it on the mag for now.
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Based on your last post it sounds as if your gun has no bullet guide what so ever. If you post a pic this could be easily confirmed.

As for how it is cycling rounds without a bullet guide, it is probably because of the pro mag. What you have described is what I have heard others report as being standard for the pro mag. It will feed and cylce well but then the last round dives into the trunion and wont feed.

If you were to try a standard AK mag it likely wont fit in the gun (I am guessing that if they didn't install a guide they didn't modify it to accept other mags) and if it does they probably wont feed at all.

You can buy sure fire mags at what ever expensive price they are going at or buy Master Molder mags. Both function very well with out a bullet guide. Aside from that you could install a bullet guide. Kind of makes you wonder what you paid for. I am guessing that most people who feel confident enough to drill and tap their gun for a bullet guide would have done the conversion themselves.

No offense to anyone, but it sounds as if they are really screwing people over on these conversions. The lack of a bullet guide means it really isn't a complete conversion and that the price is even more out of line than I had originaly thought. It seems they really are cutting every corner on these. IMO it also means based on some of the advertising I saw for these rifles that they were not being completely forth right with people about just what they were getting.

I will echo the fact that one can get a properly converted saiga with much better parts being used for the price of these things.
 
Sadly, I'm starting to think so as well. The good side of it is that everything else is fine on it. No hack-jobbing on everything else at least. The parts are fine, as well as the trigger assembly, etc. The trigger on it feels really nice compared to any other I've tried.

But, that ~120 bucks I could have saved for a good handguard/foregrip and bullet guide do make you wonder...

If I ever decide to get one in .223, I think I'll at least try and do it myself, even if i run the risk of screwing it up myself.

I guess one good thing is that I don't have to grind off the weld to get the guide in. Buy it, pop it in, and problem solved.
 
RP88 said:
If I ever decide to get one in .223, I think I'll at least try and do it myself, even if i run the risk of screwing it up myself.
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You will have to go out of your way to "screw it up".

After you've done it, you'll wonder why you waited so long to do it in the first place (as many here will attest).
 
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