Professors don't understand 1st Amendment

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Web warnings: Sites extol, slam professors

Monday, February 17, 2003 Posted: 12:21 PM EST (1721 GMT)

(AP) -- For Brandon Jank, scheduling classes each semester requires two essential tools -- a University of Idaho course catalogue and an online connection.

Before he registers, Jank, a sophomore computer science major at Idaho, taps into RateMyProfessors.com to "see how teachers are rated, see how hard their classes are, see what kind of teacher they are and how they fit into my paradigm."

Such Web-based evaluations are the bane of some college faculty. But students are using the sites to avoid tedious instructors and classes with -- as one entry on ProfessorPerformance.com put it -- "tests that were like having your arm cut off by a cold, rusty spoon."

An instructor who made John Swapceinski's life miserable at San Jose State University provided the inspiration for RateMyProfessors.com.

"She was a real ogre. It made me realize that my life for those three to four months would have been a lot different if it hadn't been for her," said Swapceinski, now a software engineer in northern California.

"If I could have looked (her) up on the Web, I could have avoided all that."
Tradition meets technology

Started in 1999, Swapceinski's site now has nearly a half-million evaluations for more than 113,000 professors at 2,401 colleges and universities in the United States and Canada. A related site, RateMyTeachers.com, posts evaluations from middle and high school students.

Swapceinski, who doesn't earn a profit from the advertising-free site, said 60 percent of the college postings are favorable to faculty. Kasey Kerber, the founder of ProfessorPerformance.com, estimated that up to 70 percent of that site's evaluations are positive.

But the American Association of University Professors gives a failing grade to those and other teacher-rating sites, some of which are specific to a single school. The traditional in-class evaluations used by most colleges and universities are good enough, the AAUP said.

"One purpose of student evaluations is to help the faculty to identify general problems and work toward dealing with them," said AAUP spokesman Jonathan Knight.

"These kind of postings will inevitably focus on student gripes and have no credibility. The purpose it should be designed for, helping the quality of education, is completely lost."

Kerber disagrees.

"Our site is no different from the evaluations provided at the end of the semester. The only difference is that students aren't allowed to see those evaluations," he said. Both online and institutional evaluations are unsigned.
Positive posts

Like many professors, Patrick Thorpe hasn't read the critiques of the biology classes he teaches at Grand Valley State University in Allendale, Michigan.

Nor does he take the ratings seriously, though there's "a little happy smile" next to his name, Thorpe noted. That means his ratings are good. Since 1999, Grand Valley's students have posted 23,000 rankings on Swapceinski's site -- nearly 5,000 more than any other school.

Angela Bickford, a chemistry and physics professor at Northwest Missouri State University in Maryville, Missouri, doesn't object to the generally upbeat reviews for her classroom performance.

But she believes said RateMyProfessors.com's invitation to rate instructors on another matter -- sex appeal -- makes the site less credible.

"Class is easy and she's soooooooo sexy!!" volunteered one of Bickford's students, assigning her the Web site's symbol for attractiveness -- a hot chili pepper.

Said Bickford: "To me, that's not taking me seriously so I don't put a lot of stock in it. When I get my other student evaluations, I don't get silly comments like that."

Before posting a rating online, both Web sites review the critiques to remove offensive and potentially libelous content.

Even so, Swapceinski said that each week brings another threat of legal action from an aggrieved professor.

"It's amazing," he said, "the number of professors with Ph.Ds who just don't get the concept of the First Amendment."
 
Hmmm, I guess that sort of explains why most of them don't get the 2nd Amendment either. Sometimes it still amazes me that such an educated bunch can be so dim.
 
I sure wish that would have been around a few years ago. One instructor decided he didn't like me and gave me an F (58%) on a paper that was half my grade in an important class and I got a D in the class (despite an A- test average on all tests until the final which I never was able to get my grade for). When I retook the class with another prof I turned in the exact same paper and got a B on the paper and an A in the class.
 
Well, heck, they don't get the 2nd Amendment either. They also love to tie events which has nothing to do with gun ownership to demonizing them. Case in point. I had a professor back when the OKC bombing happened that said it was because of our ease in acquiring firearms that lead to the bombing. :confused:
 
www.sacrate.com

:D

Educated should never, EVER be construed in any way, shape, or form, to mean "intelligent" or even "owner of a functioning brain."

Quite often, the most "educated" out there are by far the most idiotic.

:rolleyes:
 
Drjones took the words right out of my mouf. :cool: Oh by the way, I DO have a higher edication (MBA) and it ain't all it's cracked up to be. Listening to those idjits blather on for six years was no picnic. :barf:
 
They year I graduated college I started seeing these websites pop up on the net. I wish that I could have used them when I first started college. I probably would have had a little easier time in a couple of classes. I think its funny to see teachers in a huff about this. Students always talk badly about bad teachers, but now they can actually reach a larger audience and that's probably got a few worried.
 
Even so, Swapceinski said that each week brings another threat of legal action from an aggrieved professor.

"It's amazing," he said, "the number of professors with Ph.Ds who just don't get the concept of the First Amendment."

Well, if the aggrieved professors can demonstrate that they've been damaged by false information on the website, the First Amendment is irrellevant, especially if they can demonstrate that the site did not attempt to assure the accuracy of student allegations before making them available to the public. The 1A does not protect libel and slander.

In my non-lawyer estimation, these guys could be open to legal action.

Disclaimer: I'm not taking the professors' side; I'm simply making an observation from the sidelines
 
Check it out at http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/index.html

Like most of the opinions of others, I wouldn't take the ratings seriously. A prof with problems isn't going to be around long anyway.

One complaint I saw was "Can't conform to dress code she expects from students during oral presentation." Now there's some valuable information. :rolleyes: Suggests to me that "she" thinks neutral clothing on a presenter doesn't impugne the speaker's credibility. I'd agree with "her" if that's the case....
 
Like most of the opinions of others, I wouldn't take the ratings seriously. A prof with problems isn't going to be around long anyway.

How I wish that was always the case. As a history Ph. D. student and a teaching assistant I've seen more than a few problem profs. who are protected by departments. Student complaints make little difference. About the only way these profs. get in trouble is if they really cross over the line and expose their universities to bad press or law suits.

As for <ratemyprofessor.com> and other reviewing sites, I take everything I read on them with a grain of salt, just like everything else I read on the Internet (the High Road excepted of course :D )
 
Since we seem to be getting off track a teeny bit, I just thought that this was ironic when i posted.

It is ironic that those who make their living through the 1st amendment don't wish to offer equal protections to those who object to what these same individuals have to say and are actually intent on using the law to strongarm their dissenters. Hypocritical too, since these same folks raise all sorts of hackles when they percieve their rights as being infringed. The only constant seems to be their litigiousness.

That the ratings take into account whether or not the Prof is "ripped" or "stacked" and how many tats and piercings they have is irrelevant. The issue is that the Profs, alleged champions of rights, don't respect them when they don't involve "right thinking" persons.
 
And granting tenure is subject to peer review. If the whole university is full of tenured idiots, then it's more likely that bad profs will get tenure.

But peer review is supposed to keep the faculty adhering to a higher standard. I've seen it work where not-so-hot profs don't get their contracts renewed much less tenure.

If a university doesn't produce a good product, then don't patronize it remembering that a bad tree can't produce good fruit.

There are several universities I wouldn't give the time of day to because they have poisoned their own roots.
 
"tests that were like having your arm cut off by a cold, rusty spoon."


Sounds like this student needs a professor who understands either grammar or physics. How about "having your arm cut off with a cold, rusty spoon?"
 
If the whole university is full of tenured idiots...

This may sound disingenuous, but is there anything but? I know of Hillsdale College but of the several thousand or so others I've never heard of another. :rolleyes:
 
Like most of the opinions of others, I wouldn't take the ratings seriously. A prof with problems isn't going to be around long anyway

I repeat what others have said- tenure. Also, at many schools teaching isn't the priority (at least not the teaching of undergrads).

First, the quality of the teaching can sometimes be higher at a Community College than at a top research university. Part of the problem is that the professors' real job isn't teaching at all too many schools. Usually, their real job is to put out research to add to their and their school's reputations. Someone who puts out a lot of good research brings in the grant money and adds prestige to the school and the department and so long as they are at least a mediocre teacher they'll have no problems. Profs like these may take teaching grad students seriously (heck, they are future collegues, they are cheap labor to help with their research projects, and if they mentor a grad student who makes a major contribution to the field it looks good for them), however many see teaching undergrads as a nusance at best.

Second, a professor may have once been a good teacher but people change. Once a prof is tenured it is nearly impossible to get rid of him or her until the prof is ready to go.
 
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