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Pros and Cons of NRA membership
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billybob44
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Nra pro/con??
Yes I am The NRA=Life Member since 1976. No, I do not agree with every position they take. I rarely get mailings from the NRA except around election times, when they point out to me the 2nd. Ammen. positions of the national, state, and LOCAL people running for office. The local word was shouted for a reason==YES the NRA does look out for my local 2nd. Ammen. rights also-in spite of some info. on this post!!
Yes I am The NRA=Life Member since 1976. No, I do not agree with every position they take. I rarely get mailings from the NRA except around election times, when they point out to me the 2nd. Ammen. positions of the national, state, and LOCAL people running for office. The local word was shouted for a reason==YES the NRA does look out for my local 2nd. Ammen. rights also-in spite of some info. on this post!!
you mistakingly assume I am waiting on someone to be my perfect guardian.. I am not.... I depend on no one to protect my rights for me.... I think it is a mistake to put your faith into someone who is just as greedy as any other politician. The perfect organization is the NRA if they would actually use their influence in a more constructive way. Texasrifleman has mistakingly made it abuntantly clear that I do not see what is going on with the NRA and its fight for my (our) rights... I know what is going on.. I only think it is sad that I must actively look for such instances rather than seeing them in Bold next to a poor young gang member who was shot "innocently" by an evil gun owner who was protecting himself and those he loved.
The NRA should not be behind the scenes as it is now..
TexasRifleman
Moderator Emeritus
You've just decided not to see.
That's fine, things will go on without you. It's nothing new.
The rest of us will continue to fund the lawsuits and court cases so you can ride the coattails later. Been going that way for years......
I'm not even sure what that means, but OK.
mljdeckard
Member
I think that you are both underrating the good things they do publicly, and the influence that they exert that you DON'T SEE publicly.
once again.. somehow under the impression that I dont know what it is that the NRA is doing... just because I choose not to be a memeber does not mean I do not follow their actions...I see what they do and am disappointed that they do not do more and step outside their well approximated comfort zone...
mljdeckard
Member
I didn't say you didn't know. I meant to say you are intentionally downplaying their influence.
MisterMike
Member
I'm a member and will likely continue . . . unless they continue to piss me off with their shady solicitations for money. I get some stuff from them that really strikes me as sleazy . . . "They're gonna take your guns away TOMORROW! But we can keep them from doing that if you'll allow us to send out three letters on your behalf. [Flip page] That'll be $25, please . . . unless you don't care about your constitutional rights. If you can't send the $25, oh well, guess you lost your guns."
NRA, just be straight with me--"We need $xx, this is why we need it, and this is how we're going to spend it." Don't come on to me with some sleazy, underhanded bait-and-switch, we'll throw in an extra Sham-Wow type of approach. It just pisses me off and makes me want to completely drop my membership.
NRA, just be straight with me--"We need $xx, this is why we need it, and this is how we're going to spend it." Don't come on to me with some sleazy, underhanded bait-and-switch, we'll throw in an extra Sham-Wow type of approach. It just pisses me off and makes me want to completely drop my membership.
AKElroy
Member
Correct, in the same way many Republicans are not generally true conservatives. Still, the NRA is BY FAR the best funded, loudest voice we have. GOA is more principled and less compromising in my view, but It is ridiculous to assert they are more effective. The NRA has Dems running from the gun issue, even as they hold all branches of power.
Sir Aardvark
Member
You do realize that almost every member gets an NRA magazine in the mail each month and that the Post Office is owned by the government....
JohnBT
Member
"There are other groups out there that some of us believe represent our interests better than the NRA does."
And what have they accomplished? I know what VCDL has accomplished, but what groups are you talking about?
John
Member www.vcdl.org
NRA Patron
And what have they accomplished? I know what VCDL has accomplished, but what groups are you talking about?
John
Member www.vcdl.org
NRA Patron
I'm a member. And I don't go along with all the NRA's positions. But the reality is that they're the biggest, most visible, most effective advocacy group for keeping our 2nd Ammendment rights. That alone makes them worthy of gun owners' support.
Without the NRA, I fear that we'd be under MUCH worse restriction.
Without the NRA, I fear that we'd be under MUCH worse restriction.
CoRoMo
Member
Wonderful. Let us all know how you've prevented legislative infringements. Please, please inform us.
We're just basing this on your own words. No biggie.
gbw
Member
Whether you join or not is of course your choice and will be made based on your reasons.
The NRA is not perfect. Like any organism - social, political, or biological, it's first priorities will always be self preservation, growth, increased power. That's how it is and has always been.
You may not agree on how they operate. Like most of the thinging folk who have posted here I often do not, but for me they've been there when we needed them far more often and in far many more ways than not. I'm going to continue my support, and perhaps try to make a slight influence in their direction sometimes.
The existance of other responsible 2A rights groups can only help, surely no harm to join them also.
BTW, I take severe exception to the 'gestapo' swipe.
Do a little reading. We have no police or other legitimate organization, official or otherwise, no matter how far left nor how much you may disagree with them, who advocate anything close to the tactics, utter disrespect for any rule of law or human dignity, twisted logic, or mean spirited bigotry and brutality exercised by the real gestapo. This sort of thing does not help us at all. [Yes, I know of the far right / pseudo-nazi organizations. I don't consider them legitimate, I want no support from them, and I wish they would go away forever.]
The NRA is not perfect. Like any organism - social, political, or biological, it's first priorities will always be self preservation, growth, increased power. That's how it is and has always been.
You may not agree on how they operate. Like most of the thinging folk who have posted here I often do not, but for me they've been there when we needed them far more often and in far many more ways than not. I'm going to continue my support, and perhaps try to make a slight influence in their direction sometimes.
The existance of other responsible 2A rights groups can only help, surely no harm to join them also.
BTW, I take severe exception to the 'gestapo' swipe.
Do a little reading. We have no police or other legitimate organization, official or otherwise, no matter how far left nor how much you may disagree with them, who advocate anything close to the tactics, utter disrespect for any rule of law or human dignity, twisted logic, or mean spirited bigotry and brutality exercised by the real gestapo. This sort of thing does not help us at all. [Yes, I know of the far right / pseudo-nazi organizations. I don't consider them legitimate, I want no support from them, and I wish they would go away forever.]
TheBookGuy
Member
TexasRifleman
Moderator Emeritus
All I will say is, who runs that site? Why don't they identify themselves?
It's supposedly the "millions of gun owners betrayed by the NRA" but that sounds like horse crap.
You're asking people to refute a source that wants to remain anonymous.
Look into AHSA for similar tactics. Not saying they are AHSA because I have no proof of that, but it's been my suspicion for some time now that it's either AHSA or GOA.
Given the very strong language and the use of the term "Veterans Disarmament Act" it's likely, in my opinion, that it's from GOA, since they coined that term.
Also, the only national gun rights org listed as an alternative on this webpage is GOA so that is telling as well.
So, consider the source of the anti NRA material there.
Look at one quote there "You told us to trust you in the past, and we got the 1934 National Firearms Act"
NRA didn't even have a lobbying arm in 1934 and in fact the NRA was very much responsible for stopping the inclusion of handguns in the 1934 NFA.
The NRA-ILA was formed AFTER 1934 to specifically address gun control stuff going forward.
That's reaching a bit to say that the NFA of '34 is NRA's fault. I mean, seriously......
Look at one of the "top issues" on that site:
"Will Neal Knox and his allies fix the NRA?"
Neal Knox? Neal Knox has been DEAD since 2005 LOL. How the hell is he supposed to fix anything?
JohnBT
Member
Here's what I turned up. I would just as soon read the bad comedy at theobamaforum.com as the drivel on nrawol.net
"http://www.nrawol.net/ maintained by dudley Brown of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners rmgo.org"
"http://www.nrawol.net/ maintained by dudley Brown of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners rmgo.org"
BeltfedMG
member
The nra will not help you, they are there for their own interest. I know this, they have gone to court against me for a non nra member because they was paid enough...
JohnBT
Member
Forgot something.
"As the OP, are any of the points on this site www.nrawol.net valid?
Why or why not?"
Well there is an organization called NRA, so there is at least one valid fact on that site. Why or why not? Because the sun doesn't rise in the west, the zombies aren't attacking and that site is full of phony baloney. That's why not. I don't spend time addressing off the wall claims and conspiracy theories just because there is some web site trying to attract attention.
John
"As the OP, are any of the points on this site www.nrawol.net valid?
Why or why not?"
Well there is an organization called NRA, so there is at least one valid fact on that site. Why or why not? Because the sun doesn't rise in the west, the zombies aren't attacking and that site is full of phony baloney. That's why not. I don't spend time addressing off the wall claims and conspiracy theories just because there is some web site trying to attract attention.
John
bigione
Member
If we had 80 million memebers instead of 5 million, imagine the waves we could make in DC and we wouldn't need to solicit more money as everyone would be paying their way.. The other orgs are good but don't have the clout yet.
KarenTOC
Member
There's no rule saying you can't join more than one gun-rights group.
Join NRA if for no other reason than to make it look bigger and more influential to the powers that be. Then become an active member of whatever other group you feel is more in tune with your ideals.
It's a win-win situation: NRA has more clout and you get what you want from the other group.
Join NRA if for no other reason than to make it look bigger and more influential to the powers that be. Then become an active member of whatever other group you feel is more in tune with your ideals.
It's a win-win situation: NRA has more clout and you get what you want from the other group.
jimmyraythomason
Member
I have been a member since the early '70s and a lifemember since the '90s. I have only been phoned to notify me of pending gun legislation in my state never to solicit money. The CCRKBA used to call weekly and often doubled my pledges without my consent. I no longer support them. The NRA is our only real choice for effective lobbying in D.C.
rcmodel
Member in memoriam
Pros and Cons of NRA membership?
Whatever the Cons are, they are far outweighed by the Pro's.
Without the NRA, we wouldn't be having this discussion, because guns would have been outlawed many years ago.
It really gripes me to know that there are 80 million gun owners in the U.S., but only a little over 4 million of them are willing to put their money where their mouth is!
One box of ammo a year is all it costs to fight the fight to keep your guns!
Shame on you if you don't belong to the NRA!
rc
Whatever the Cons are, they are far outweighed by the Pro's.
Without the NRA, we wouldn't be having this discussion, because guns would have been outlawed many years ago.
It really gripes me to know that there are 80 million gun owners in the U.S., but only a little over 4 million of them are willing to put their money where their mouth is!
One box of ammo a year is all it costs to fight the fight to keep your guns!
Shame on you if you don't belong to the NRA!
rc
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All I Saw...
Were pretty lame excuses from the detractors of the NRA, and some very insightful comments from people who support the NRA. My advice: Join as many 2nd amendment supporting associations as you can afford, but remember, size does matter to the collective idiots we send to Washington. I've heard of many of the alternative groups some suggested here, how many Congresscritters know who the hell they are? But all the Congresscritters know full well who the hell the NRA is.
Bottom line is this: there are far too many gun owners, or supporters of the 2nd amendment who feel they have done everything they need to when they buy a gun, and enjoy the freedom of gun ownership. Those folks are irresponsible gun owners, and freeloaders on 2nd amendment issues, and frankly, the responsible gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters who DO their part, and put their cash on the barrel head to insure YOUR rights are getting damned tired of carrying your cheap butts.
Or, to put it more simply, recall the words of founding father Ben Franklin who said "We must hang together, or we will surely hang separately."
Were pretty lame excuses from the detractors of the NRA, and some very insightful comments from people who support the NRA. My advice: Join as many 2nd amendment supporting associations as you can afford, but remember, size does matter to the collective idiots we send to Washington. I've heard of many of the alternative groups some suggested here, how many Congresscritters know who the hell they are? But all the Congresscritters know full well who the hell the NRA is.
Bottom line is this: there are far too many gun owners, or supporters of the 2nd amendment who feel they have done everything they need to when they buy a gun, and enjoy the freedom of gun ownership. Those folks are irresponsible gun owners, and freeloaders on 2nd amendment issues, and frankly, the responsible gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters who DO their part, and put their cash on the barrel head to insure YOUR rights are getting damned tired of carrying your cheap butts.
Or, to put it more simply, recall the words of founding father Ben Franklin who said "We must hang together, or we will surely hang separately."
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