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putting flyers over "gun free zone" signs at school?

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by ctrs, Apr 10, 2011.

  1. ctrs

    ctrs Active Member

    One of my buddies lives in a college dorm that has a "No firearms allowed" sign posted right outside the entrance.

    He's thinking about printing out a flyer that says "Attention criminals: This venue has been legally disarmed for your convenience. Don't expect anyone to resist with deadly force should you rob this place." (perhaps with a URL to the SCCC website) and placing it right below the sign.

    Is this a good idea? Or could my friend get in trouble for this? This is in California, by the way.
  2. JoeMal

    JoeMal Well-Known Member

    I would think, at least, he could be charged with vandalizing or defacing. I'm no lawyer though
  3. BeerSleeper

    BeerSleeper Well-Known Member

    In **********, trouble gets into you.
  4. Shadow 7D

    Shadow 7D Well-Known Member

    Do a little stick figure robbery sign in a circle (no slash)
    and put Victim Disarmament Zone

    leave it at that. too much, not tasteful could get you in trouble, a little, you get told to take it down.
  5. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    May be, maybe not.
  6. brickeyee

    brickeyee Well-Known Member

    Make sure he has bail money available.

    Either on himself or held by a god friend.

    He may beat a charge, but is liable to take a ride.
  7. dprice3844444

    dprice3844444 member

    make a nice lil sign and attach it below the other one with ge silicone
  8. dprice3844444

    dprice3844444 member

    or ge silicone 4 lil round magnets to the wall and attach 4 magnets to the poster
  9. dprice3844444

    dprice3844444 member

    t shirts will work also
  10. Mr.Davis

    Mr.Davis Well-Known Member

    Don't cover the no gun sign, put yours next to it. People probably never notice the no gun sign, so putting yours beside it will have a greater impact.

    SCCC has some great, professional-looking posters on their website you can use.
  11. ctrs

    ctrs Active Member

    My friend wasn't planning to cover up the sign; like Mr.Davis said, he only wants to put the flyer below it. I imagine it's hard to get charged for vandalism for doing that.
  12. cleardiddion

    cleardiddion Well-Known Member

    You'd be surprised how easily and to what extent campuses will freak right out.
    A couple years back a few kids painted the confederate flag with the words 'southern pride' on our 'spirt rock' in the middle of campus (which everyone can and does paint on for various things). The students were brought up on charges and 2 out of 3 were expelled.
  13. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    Sounds like a pretty stupid idea to me. Then again, the "friend" wanting to put up the sign is the same one who attends the school where the sign is posted, right?

    Just what benefit does the "friend" think this sign will serve? If the friend believes the sign to be true, then the friend is an idiotic for posting it where s/he lives.

    The friend also apparently believes that being "armed" only pertains to having a gun and that lethal force is only exerted with a gun. The friend also probably believes s/he is defenseless without a gun as well.
  14. ctrs

    ctrs Active Member

    I just showed Joe this thread and he agrees that it's probably not the best idea at the moment. He decided that he wasn't going to risk his academic career as he is very close to graduating.

    Thanks for the input, everyone.
  15. JoeMal

    JoeMal Well-Known Member

    Find a freshman. Have them do it
  16. Mr.Davis

    Mr.Davis Well-Known Member

    If anyone in this thread wants to do something about carry on campus, join Students for Concealed Carry on Campus. If your school doesn't have a chapter, you can start one easily.
  17. archigos

    archigos Well-Known Member

    I've done it.
    I wish I still had the design, but it attracted quite a bit of attention. After about a week, I got a call on my cell phone from the Dean of Students asking me if it was me that had been putting up the signs. I told him "yes" and he asked to meet with me. The next day, I got an email from the [acting] Chief of Public Safety, also asking me to meet with me. According to him, Public Safety had been "dedicating their entire staff the entire week to finding who was putting up the signs".
    Nothing wound up ever coming of it; I didn't get in trouble other than having to attend those two meetings, but I suspect that might be because I had worked extensively with the Dean of Students previously, as well as that by the time I was a senior, the administration had gained some respect for my abilities to win battles they started.
  18. whalerman

    whalerman member

    Sir, please tell us what was said in those meetings. I'd be very interested in knowing what their response was to your actions.
  19. archigos

    archigos Well-Known Member

    The posters I used were copied and modified from one I found online saying "Attention Criminals: This is a GUN-FREE ZONE. All law-abiding students, faculty, and staff at this institution have been disarmed for your convenience."

    To be honest, my recollection is somewhat rough - it was a couple years ago. However, I do remember that in my meeting with the Dean of Students he was adamant that I stop posting these signs because they were posted "against the sign guidelines". The school had very strict sign guidelines regarding where signs could be posted and that they needed to have contact info on them. My argument was that I posted them immediately next to public safety notices that also lacked contact information, and that these, too, were a public safety notice. He inquired as to my reasoning for posting these, and I explained that the reason I posted the signs is because the President of the college had decreed that the administration would not issue the documentation required for CCW-licensed students, faculty, and staff to legally carry on the campus. He indicated that he would be interested to see what happened if I formally requested such documentation, but I never had the opportunity as I finished my degree shortly afterward. I agreed that I'd stop posting signs against the sign guidelines.

    In my meeting with public safety, as I mentioned before, they claimed that they had been "dedicating all their resources for the past week to finding out who was posting the signs." (I thought - if it took all their resources for a full week to figure out who was posting signs, then God forbid they try to figure out what to do if there was a serious situation on campus and they're not even allowed to carry guns themselves.) They claimed that they were worried that it "might be a threat" as one of the professors had received an unrelated death threat shortly before I started posting those signs. They were "relieved" to figure out that it was just activism. I had a brief discussion with the guy about the fact that with all the recent shootings (especially since I went to an engineering school) its ridiculous that the only people allowed to defend themselves on the campus are criminals. His response was something to the extent of "I can't disagree with you..." but he didn't seem to want to say much more... I suspect it was because the administration is known to come down pretty hard on faculty and staff dissenters.

    All in all, I had no penalty (though I technically did violate the sign guidelines - which have helped earn the school a red rating with FIRE). They just were happy to know who was doing it and have me stop I guess.
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2011
  20. ants

    ants Well-Known Member

    Addressing the OP, not archigos.

    Sometimes we can do things so butt stupid,
    it only reinforces the world's view that gun owners are butt stupid.

    Why not do something constructive and intelligent.
    • Mr. Davis suggests starting or joining an SCCC chapter.
    • Distribute educational posters and flyers.
    • Start a safety escort service to walk students to/from that same dorm at night.
    • Start a 'neighborhood watch' around the dorms.
    • And use each of those opportunities to spread the word.
    Lots of constructive and intelligent things to do.
    You don't have to put up a parody flyer satirically inviting robbery where students live.

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