QL prediction for 30-30 in a single shot......
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This would be what you are looking for. IMR 3031, 125gr Nosler BalTip, 2.73 oal, case trim to 2.029
This one is IMR 3031, 125gr Nosler BalTip, 2.74 oal, case trim to 2.029
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This one is IMR 3031, 125gr Nosler BalTip, 2.74 oal, case trim to 2.029
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Yes indeed!
Could you please do that with the Nosler 150 grain Ballistic Tips seated to 2.788, with IMR 3031, WInchester 748, and Reloader 15 powders?
The 150's are the weight that are readily available to me.
This is all so helpful.....thanks again!
Could you please do that with the Nosler 150 grain Ballistic Tips seated to 2.788, with IMR 3031, WInchester 748, and Reloader 15 powders?
The 150's are the weight that are readily available to me.
This is all so helpful.....thanks again!
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IMR 3031.
Win 748
Reloader-15
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Win 748
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Reloader-15
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Remember to start with load data from a manufacturer. Quickload can be, highly inaccurate at times.
It's a 135. They started producing them in 2018.
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I can't comment on the Nosler bullet, but I got some good results with the 160 gr. Hornady FTX 308 Marlin Express bullet (Manufacturer #: 30396) in my Winchester 30-30 using 30.4 gr. of Winchester 748 (see picture). This was a 5-shot group at 100 yds. shot with the rifle in a machine rifle rest. The overall group was 2.103", but 4 shots fell in a group measuring 0.722" as shown in the picture. The Lyman 50th Edition reloading manual lists W-748 as the "potentially most accurate" powder with the Hornady 160 gr. FTX bullet. Now the rest of the story.
I got the 308 Marlin Express bullets by mistake from MidwayUSA as their bullet filter results didn't clearly identify which of the two 160 grain Hornady bullets was specifically designed for the Winchester 30-30. In my opinion, the MidwayUSA bullet filter sucks. Instead of listing the options of 308 Marlin Express or Winchester 30-30, they give the selection criteria of Polymer Tip Boat Tail (which gets you the correct 30-30 bullet) or Polymer Tip (which gets you the 308 Marlin Express bullet). The issue is that both bullets are polymer tipped AND boat tail design, but I digress. Cartridges loaded with the 308 Marlin Express bullets have to be single-shot loaded in a Model 94 Winchester 30-30 as they are too long to feed through the magazine. I've since gotten and tested the proper 160 gr. Hornady FTX bullet for the Winchester 30-30 (Manufacturer #: 30395) using W-748, and the results have been dismal. 5-shot groups, again shot with the rifle in a machine rifle rest, got no better than 4.465" with most groups running 5-6". The Hornady bullet intended for the Win. 30-30 has a really funny shaped ogive, and I believe the bullet has to make a really long jump before engaging the rifling. I plan to do more testing with higher charges of W-748 to see if things improve, but I may be returning to Sierra 150 gr. flat nose bullets (what I've always used before) to get something that will feed through the magazine and shoot well.
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I finally did a small ladder-test of the 150grain Nosler Ballistic Tip using up to 31grains of IMR 3031. I was at 50 yards so as to not have to wonder too hard about what was going on with pulled shots, and also using a 4X scope.
The 28 grain loading did poorly, while the rest looked promising. 30 grains being 5 shots just a smidge over 1/2 inch c-to-c, and the 31 grainer had four shots in .5 inch c-to-c after excluding the pulled fifth shot. Loading more at 30, and 31 grains to take back to the range, and get further acquainted/sighted in with the chosen load.
The 28 grain loading did poorly, while the rest looked promising. 30 grains being 5 shots just a smidge over 1/2 inch c-to-c, and the 31 grainer had four shots in .5 inch c-to-c after excluding the pulled fifth shot. Loading more at 30, and 31 grains to take back to the range, and get further acquainted/sighted in with the chosen load.
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BUTCHER45, since what I noted in Post #35 above, I also tried IMR-3031 with the Speer 150 gr. Flat Nose bullet in my 30-30. I also seated the bullets out farther to minimize the bullet jump and did not crimp the bullet, but kept the cartridge O.A.L. short enough to feed from the magazine (you may want to refer to this thread I started: https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ally-need-to-be-crimped.874233/#post-11629324). I found that 31.0 gr. of IMR-3031 gave me the best results in my 94 Winchester 30-30.
Attached are the results of what I got at the range with this load. I am just using a Burris Fastfire 2 red dot reflex sight on this rifle. I fired three 5-shot groups at 25 yds. to adjust the zero of my red dot, but only measured two of these targets. However, I was shooting against a target board with a new sheet of Coroeplast so can show the three groups I shot at 25 yds. but without measurements. I then shot one 5-shot group at 100 yds. Given that a red dot is not exactly a precision sighting device, I suspect the 100 yd. results might have been better if I had been shooting with the benefit of a scope. Also, I've heard (but can't confirm) that 94 Winchesters are 'famous' for shooting one shot 'off-group' due to the force exerted on the barrel by the tubular magazine as the barrel heats up, so your 'off-group' rounds may not have been pulled shots (unless you specifically remember you did so).
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From the single shot, the .308ME bullet will work well. It’s not “hard”. I’ve used it from my Marlin MXLR to shoot deer at velocities only slightly above that of .30/30 muzzle velocity. It expands quite readily!
You’re quite reinventing the wheel in regards to the .30/30 w/150gr bullets.
I settled on 31.0gr of 3031 50yrs ago in my Remington M788 bolt action. It would shoot three shots touching at 100yds. Seated to cannelure no less! (But not into, or crimped). Speer HotCores.
But Hornady, Sierras, and Noslers shoot just a good.
I long ago traded off that rifle. But the three .30/30’s I have now all shoot that load VERY well.I drop the charge to 28.0 for a cast bullet.
You’re quite reinventing the wheel in regards to the .30/30 w/150gr bullets.
I settled on 31.0gr of 3031 50yrs ago in my Remington M788 bolt action. It would shoot three shots touching at 100yds. Seated to cannelure no less! (But not into, or crimped). Speer HotCores.
But Hornady, Sierras, and Noslers shoot just a good.
I long ago traded off that rifle. But the three .30/30’s I have now all shoot that load VERY well.I drop the charge to 28.0 for a cast bullet.
Those were pulled shots.......if I don't call them pulled, then they are then considered to be flyers. I called these. I have the forearm floated "H@R Style", and I was careful not to let it get too warm in the testing.
I went with this bullet/powder combo not to be creative, but because it is a well-proven/documented combination in Handi Rifles on game. Felt I owe it to those that helped me here to share my results thus far, is all.
Proven first.....creative later.
Though it would appear that a man that goes by "Ben" has beat me to just about everything I would want to try with lead in a 30-30 Handi.....though I believe his twist rate is different.
Many feel these rifles are all inaccurate garbage guns. I want to share what this individual rifle is capable of, as I myself find out. I will be testing it at 200 yards out next time I go to the range. This rifle is also a bit different than most .30 caliber Handi's, in that it has a 1:12 inch twist barrel rather than the regular H@R/NEF 1:10 twist rate (better twist rate for cast boolits!).
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I chony'd a bunch of the max 31 grain load today......very consistent, with most shots being somewhere between 2300, and 2310. There will be a better scope mounted on it next time out to get it tested for accuracy at long range. May load in Federal brass, instead of Winchester this time (maybe both) just because the Federal brass is currently on deck.
I also tried some "gallery loads" shooting what I think is a Ranch Dog 161g grainer (with GC) with a fat meplat over Green Dot at 25 yards just to see.......very promising accuracy with the first two steps of the ladder at 25yards. Book indicates those were going around 1200fps. I moved to 50 yards for the second two steps of the ladder (should have done all of it at 25), and the accuracy was not "great" anymore. Will look into those type loads a lot more in the future....they were fun to shoot!
I also tried some "gallery loads" shooting what I think is a Ranch Dog 161g grainer (with GC) with a fat meplat over Green Dot at 25 yards just to see.......very promising accuracy with the first two steps of the ladder at 25yards. Book indicates those were going around 1200fps. I moved to 50 yards for the second two steps of the ladder (should have done all of it at 25), and the accuracy was not "great" anymore. Will look into those type loads a lot more in the future....they were fun to shoot!
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