Question about fluing with a relatives pistol or rifle

[gym]

My uncle passed away 4 years ago, and may have left a couple custom pieces in the house, mu aunt is in her 90's and lives with my mom.
Mom is ill and I may need to go up and straighter out her mess that se made, as old woman inadvertantlly do.
My question is, if my uncle left my aunt with some custom pieces that she no lomger wants, "he was a smith for 50 ears after the Marines and Eastern Airlines GM. Could I purchase whatever weapons she no longer wants and fly them back, to FL.
Chances are there are no Identifying marks , as all his stuff was custom, other than the action or recievers.
He would order a frame and build the gun around it. I don't know if he still had anything left as he did tell me he has sold off most of his hundreds of guns, but you know how that works.There may be some that he saved for his son, who has no interest in weapons. Is it legel to have my aunt write up a bill of sale, or just get on the plane with my Fl permit , and say I was coming back from my second home. I have sent ffl to ffl before but it is just such a rip off at $100.00 a gun.This way I put them is a locked box and fly them legally into the state. He did always tell me to take one when he passed.

 

[Birch Knoll]

Interstate transfers of firearms must, must, must be done through an FFL. No ifs, ands or buts. It's a Federal felony to do otherwise.

But if you're paying $100/gun for a transfer, that's ridiculous. Find another FFL.

 

[Telekinesis]

If she lives in another state, no. You have to have them shipped to an FFL in your home state, and then you can have that FFL transfer it to you (so 4473 and everything else). Being a family member doesn't get you around the interstate transfer laws.

 

[medalguy]

The only exception to the law is if you are a legal heir to the guns when she passes away. Then you can go get them I believe, someone correct me if this is not the case. However, this is not your situation.

Find a cheaper dealer to work with. Many ffls will handle transfers for $10 to $20. There is at least one firearms auction site with a listing of dealers around the country and their fees. Make use of it.

 

[allank]

Google "buds guns ffl search" and use their FFL search to find a closer dealer to you. The last reported transfer fee is listed on their website as a guideline.

 

[allank]

You also need to check the situation re markings (manufacturer, serial number etc) and what is required by BATF to transfer them via an FFL.

 

[kanook]

Find a FFL near you that accepts from non FFL.

Buy the firearms from your aunt or mother.

Pack them up and put a copy of your aunts ID in the shipment.

Send to the FFL you picked out.

Fly back to FL, go to the FFL and fill out the form to finish the transfer.

 

[Sam1911]

Hanguns have to be sent to an FFL in your state.

Long guns you can transfer at an FFL in your aunt's state and take them with you.

Flying with guns is no problem, and TSA has no way to, and no interest in checking up on who guns belong to. So long as they're cased per the regulations, you'll fly with no problems.

 

[gym]

Thanks, mom is in the hospital so I may be up there anyway.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Thanks, mom is in the hospital so I may be up there anyway.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Please remember that you were you to just pick up the guns, it would be a felony under federal law. You'll need to have the transfers done by an FFL, and for the handguns, the FFL will need to be in your State of residence.

 

[RJTravel]

Drive.

 

[Sam1911]

Drive.

Drive or fly -- doesn't change the legal situation with regards to transferring ownership.

 

[popper]

So no Fed paperwork required for intrastate transfer? What is best method for 'loaning' or 'giving' to OP, as evidence of ownership? Simplest case is traveling, getting stopped, searched, weapons found which are NOT 'registered' to yourself? A signed note from the owner may be proof in court, but not to PO.

 

[Sam1911]

So no Fed paperwork required for intrastate transfer?

Interstate transfers must go through a dealer on a form 4473. The dealer keeps that form in his filing cabinet. That's it for "federal paperwork."

What is best method for 'loaning' or 'giving' to OP, as evidence of ownership?

Giving a firearm is the same as selling. 4473 form. A loan is a special case and would not apply here at all.

Simplest case is traveling, getting stopped, searched, weapons found which are NOT 'registered' to yourself?

"Registered?" There IS NO "registered." You are not required to prove a gun belongs to you. If a law enforcement officer runs your gun's serial number and description he may be able to check to see if that gun has been registered as STOLEN with the FBI's NCIC. If it doesn't come back as having been reported stolen, that's IT.

He can't run the numbers and see who it belongs to, or was sold to. No federal database exists by which any LEO could do that. Not even the BATFE itself could do that.

A signed note from the owner may be proof in court, but not to PO.

Absent any evidence that you do NOT own it, possession = ownership. Just like your watch, your cell phone, your shoes, etc.

 

[Birch Knoll]

So no Fed paperwork required for intrastate transfer?

Sam answered correctly regarding interstate transfers, but assuming you really meant intrastate transfers, there's no federal paperwork required. There might be State requirements, depending on where you live. Most states do not have firearms registration, so you don't really need any sort of documentation of the sale. You might want it anyway, but there's no legal requirement.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Of course everything that Sam wrote is very much state law dependent. He's described the federal rules and the way it works in most States. In a few States one might need state documentation to possess a gun, particularly a handgun.

 

[Sam1911]

IntER, InTRA...oh!