Quick questions: S&W SW9VE

[sarduy]

hey all.

quick questions:

I'm looking to get a S&W SW9VE (copy of the glock) but they are listed as "Double action only" this may explain the long and heavy trigger pull that i have read about, but isn't S&W SW9VE strike fired pistols?

here are the questions...

1. is the S&W SW9VE a "Double Action Only"?
2. can i get second strike capability if a round fail to fire?

Thanks a lot.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

1. is the S&W SW9VE a "Double Action Only"?

Technically, no, as pulling the trigger does not fully retract and release the striker. Functionally, yes, as the trigger requires a long heavy pull throughout its entire stroke. But let's not get too bogged down in that.

2. can i get second strike capability if a round fail to fire?

No. It operates from a half cocked striker and the trigger, when pulled, fully cocks and releases the striker. It requires the action of the slide to reset. If your round fails to fire you must eject it and feed another one by jacking the slide. This is very much like the Glock, which brings me to:

(copy of the glock)

Its mechanism is clearly inspired by the Glock, but it is not a copy.

 

[Ghost Walker]

Remember when these Smiths used to be called, 'Swocks'!

A court-of-law didn't think Smith's Sigma series of pistols was different; in fact, S&W had to pay Glock a (reportedly) large penalty for patent infringement.

Sigma pistols are widely considered to have, 'gritty' triggers when compared to a Glock. Both brands use a trigger mechanism with a, 'pretensioned striker' and identify their respective lockworks by different names.

If a primer fails to detonate, a slight rearward movement of the slide will return either pistol to full battery. On the line, however, it's both faster and more certain to simply grasp the top of the slide with your palm down and quickly withdraw it to the rear before opening your support hand and letting the slide snap shut under it's own momentum.

 

[HippieMagic]

I can honestly say that if you already have a glock 17 I have no idea why you would ever even consider a Sigma. I would never buy a Sigma unless I absolutely had to... as long as my G19 functions I don't see that happening. It isn't a horrible gun but I honestly despise the way it feels.

 

[ugaarguy]

here are the questions...

1. is the S&W SW9VE a "Double Action Only"?

It operates much like a Glock, with the striker partially cocked by the action being cycled. The trigger pull performs the double actions of cocking the striker the rest of the way, and releasing it. BATFE defines this as DAO, just as they do Glock's "Safe Action". FWIW, DAO 3rd Generation S&W metal frame autos operate essentially the same, but with the pre-tension on the mainspring. The so-called "revolutionary" Para LDA is very similar.

2. can i get second strike capability if a round fail to fire?

As already stated, no. However, I wouldn't worry about. First, because everything I've been taught with FTFs on any semi is "tap-rack-bang" clearance drill, because it works for all of them. Second, you don't have a second strike capability on your Glock, nor your 1911. Again, train doing the tap-rack-bang and you don't have change anything when you switch between any of your semis.

Hope that helps.

 

[DocCas]

I can honestly say that once you buy the Sigma you won't have a reason to keep the glock 17. I have no idea why you would ever even consider a Glock. I would never buy a Glock unless I absolutely had to... as long as my Sigma functions I don't see that happening. It isn't a horrible gun but I honestly despise the way it feels.

 

[Lakeshore]

I have a SW9VE. It's not my favorite pistol but the grip (ergonomics), at least for my mitt, is about as good as they get. I've never experienced any type of ftf, fte etc. with it. At first I really really disliked the heavy DAO trigger but you get accustomed to it and it does lighten up over time. I have Glocks too and am partial to them but I won't be parting with the Sigma.

 

[cchris]

Nice recovery, DocCas. This topic is about Sigmas, not about how people love their Block hand-grenades.

I have never had a fail-to-fire, so I don't worry about second strike capability.

 

[DocCas]

Lakeshore said

I have a SW9VE. It's not my favorite pistol but the grip (ergonomics), at least for my mitt, is about as good as they get. I've never experienced any type of ftf, fte etc. with it. At first I really really disliked the heavy DAO trigger but you get accustomed to it and it does lighten up over time. I have Glocks too and am partial to them but I won't be parting with the Sigma.

I too have an SW9VE, and love the ergonomics. The trigger, right out of the box, was pretty stiff and very gritty. The stiffness didn't bother me as I am an old wheel gun guy so I'm accustomed to long hard trigger pulls. But I tinkered a bit, removed the pigtail spring from around the pivot pin in the striker, polished the contact surfaces, greased and reassembled. Now, several thousand rounds down range later it is one of the sweetest handguns I own. The accuracy is acceptable if not excellent, and, as you said, it fits my hand as no other handgun I own, have ever owned, or handled! And, like yours, in about 5,000 rounds down range it has never had a ftf, fte, etc. Absolutely reliable.

 

[DocCas]

cchris said

Nice recovery, DocCas. This topic is about Sigmas, not about how people love their Block hand-grenades.

Yeah, I was feeling a bit peckish this morning, and for some reason I just can't resist poking fun at the Glock people!

I have never had a fail-to-fire, so I don't worry about second strike capability.

My experience is the same. Best bang for the buck on the market today.