Stephen A. Camp
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Hello. Many folks prefer heavier calibers or larger pistols for "serious" purposes, but there remains a contingent of folks who simply prefer the .380 ACP in a carry pistol. Examples of these would be Walther's PP and variations, Beretta's Model 84/85, the CZ-83, and SIG-Sauer's P230/232 pistols. All of these use a straight blow back action as does the Bersa and most share some similarities. The Bersa will cost less than any of the guns mentioned. I paid $199.85 for the one used for this report.
The Pistol:This Bersa Thunder .380 ACP Duo-Tone has a forged steel slide and an aluminum alloy frame that has been E-nickled. Grips are checkered black composite. It is a conventional double-action/single-action semiautomatic pistol obviously targeting the concealed carry market
with the light frame. The pistol has fixed sights with the familar 3-dots, but the rear sight is click adjustable for windage. It has a 3.5," conventionally rifled barrel. The magazine release is located to the rear of the trigger guard similar to the 1911 or Hi Power and is a single-side push button.
The slide is a matte blue and evenly covered. The trigger face is smooth with the front and rear grip straps having vertical serrations. The magazine floorplate has an extension for the little finger and the front of the trigger guard is both hooked and checkered. (I could do without this and would prefer the trigger guard rounded.) It does have a magazine "safety" and the single-stack magazine holds 7 rounds. Current magazine followers are steel. Slide to frame fit is very good. The top of the slide has a flat, slightly-raised rib that is knurled.The pistol weighs 19 oz., empty. The thumb-safety is single-sided and works as a dropping lever as well. "Down" is "safe" with "up" being for "fire," just like the Walter PP-series and other pistols like the Beretta 92. The take down lever is visible on the lower front of the frame. It is spring-loaded and must be held down while retracting the slide in order to remove it for cleaning.
Ammunition: This pistol was shot primarily with JHPs or ammunition intended for self-protection. One FMJ was fired for reliability "proofing" and was chosen. One make of defensive ammunition is no longer produced, but was shot out of curiosity on my part and some folks may still have some of it.
The average velocities, extreme spreads and standard deviations are based on 10-shot strings with the muzzle of the pistol approx. 10' from the chronograph screens.
Magtech 95-grain FMJ:
Average Velocity: 898 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 181*
Std. Deviation: 48
*One one shot was showed a really extreme spread. It was the low velocity for the string @ 769 ft/sec. The high velocity was 949 ft/sec.
Federal 90-grain Classic JHP:
Average Velocity: 969 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 40
Standard Deviation: 12
Federal 90-grain Hydrashok JHP:
Average Velocity: 975 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 13
Standard Deviation: 5*
*This was the most consistent ammunition fired today.
Corbon 90-grain +P JHP:
Average Velocity: 1015 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 64
Standard Deviation: 20
Glaser Silver 70-grain Safety Slug:
Average Velocity: 1221 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 172
Standard Deviation: 59
PPS .380 MPP 54.5-grain Copper Bullet*:
Average Velocity: 1399 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 57
Standard Deviation: 27
This round is no longer manufactured. It was originally sold in plastic boxes holding 6 rounds.
Similar in design to Corbon's new "PowRball," the bullet is solid copper with a massive hollow point under the dark polymer ball. Advertised velocity was listed as 1200 - 1400 ft/sec, depending upon barrel length. I'd say they advertised honestly. PPS stands for Personal Protection Systems and the MPP for Maximum Pocket Pistol.
Here's most of the loads tested. From Left to Right: PPS 54.5-grain MPP, Corbon 90-grain +P JHP, Federal Hydrashok 90-grain JHP, Federal Classic 90-grain JHP, and Magtech 95-grain FMJ. Not pictured is the Glaser 70-grain Safety Slug.
Shooting: All shooting was done off-hand and standing, using a 2-hand hold. Distances were 7, 10, and 15 yards. The 10 and 15-yard targets were fired slow-fire. The others were fired as rapidly as I could get a "flash" sight picture.
10 Yards:
I used a "dead-on" hold with the top of the front sight horizontally bisecting the smaller, inner circle. I figure this is the longest distance most shooters of these pistols would practice with them.
15 Yards: This was fired slow fire as were the 10-yard groups. The little thing was easy to shoot and I wanted to shoot it just a little farther out. This group would end the slow fire accuracy work.
The fifteen-shot group was fired using a fully-loaded pistol (8 rounds) followed with one magazine-full.
7 Yards: Groups fired at this distance were fired as quickly as I could obtain a "flash" sight picture. A group was fired using only the double-action for each shot as the gun has no provision for cocked-and-locked carry and a two groups from the firing of controlled pairs are shown. One was fired strictly single-action while the other was fired with the first shot in each set being double-action with a single-action second shot. I used the Corbon ammunition as it had the sharpest recoil of any of the ammo fired today.
The transition from DA to SA did appear to result in some vertical stringing of shots.
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The Pistol:This Bersa Thunder .380 ACP Duo-Tone has a forged steel slide and an aluminum alloy frame that has been E-nickled. Grips are checkered black composite. It is a conventional double-action/single-action semiautomatic pistol obviously targeting the concealed carry market
with the light frame. The pistol has fixed sights with the familar 3-dots, but the rear sight is click adjustable for windage. It has a 3.5," conventionally rifled barrel. The magazine release is located to the rear of the trigger guard similar to the 1911 or Hi Power and is a single-side push button.
The slide is a matte blue and evenly covered. The trigger face is smooth with the front and rear grip straps having vertical serrations. The magazine floorplate has an extension for the little finger and the front of the trigger guard is both hooked and checkered. (I could do without this and would prefer the trigger guard rounded.) It does have a magazine "safety" and the single-stack magazine holds 7 rounds. Current magazine followers are steel. Slide to frame fit is very good. The top of the slide has a flat, slightly-raised rib that is knurled.The pistol weighs 19 oz., empty. The thumb-safety is single-sided and works as a dropping lever as well. "Down" is "safe" with "up" being for "fire," just like the Walter PP-series and other pistols like the Beretta 92. The take down lever is visible on the lower front of the frame. It is spring-loaded and must be held down while retracting the slide in order to remove it for cleaning.
Ammunition: This pistol was shot primarily with JHPs or ammunition intended for self-protection. One FMJ was fired for reliability "proofing" and was chosen. One make of defensive ammunition is no longer produced, but was shot out of curiosity on my part and some folks may still have some of it.
The average velocities, extreme spreads and standard deviations are based on 10-shot strings with the muzzle of the pistol approx. 10' from the chronograph screens.
Magtech 95-grain FMJ:
Average Velocity: 898 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 181*
Std. Deviation: 48
*One one shot was showed a really extreme spread. It was the low velocity for the string @ 769 ft/sec. The high velocity was 949 ft/sec.
Federal 90-grain Classic JHP:
Average Velocity: 969 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 40
Standard Deviation: 12
Federal 90-grain Hydrashok JHP:
Average Velocity: 975 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 13
Standard Deviation: 5*
*This was the most consistent ammunition fired today.
Corbon 90-grain +P JHP:
Average Velocity: 1015 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 64
Standard Deviation: 20
Glaser Silver 70-grain Safety Slug:
Average Velocity: 1221 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 172
Standard Deviation: 59
PPS .380 MPP 54.5-grain Copper Bullet*:
Average Velocity: 1399 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 57
Standard Deviation: 27
This round is no longer manufactured. It was originally sold in plastic boxes holding 6 rounds.
Similar in design to Corbon's new "PowRball," the bullet is solid copper with a massive hollow point under the dark polymer ball. Advertised velocity was listed as 1200 - 1400 ft/sec, depending upon barrel length. I'd say they advertised honestly. PPS stands for Personal Protection Systems and the MPP for Maximum Pocket Pistol.
Here's most of the loads tested. From Left to Right: PPS 54.5-grain MPP, Corbon 90-grain +P JHP, Federal Hydrashok 90-grain JHP, Federal Classic 90-grain JHP, and Magtech 95-grain FMJ. Not pictured is the Glaser 70-grain Safety Slug.
Shooting: All shooting was done off-hand and standing, using a 2-hand hold. Distances were 7, 10, and 15 yards. The 10 and 15-yard targets were fired slow-fire. The others were fired as rapidly as I could get a "flash" sight picture.
10 Yards:
I used a "dead-on" hold with the top of the front sight horizontally bisecting the smaller, inner circle. I figure this is the longest distance most shooters of these pistols would practice with them.
15 Yards: This was fired slow fire as were the 10-yard groups. The little thing was easy to shoot and I wanted to shoot it just a little farther out. This group would end the slow fire accuracy work.
The fifteen-shot group was fired using a fully-loaded pistol (8 rounds) followed with one magazine-full.
7 Yards: Groups fired at this distance were fired as quickly as I could obtain a "flash" sight picture. A group was fired using only the double-action for each shot as the gun has no provision for cocked-and-locked carry and a two groups from the firing of controlled pairs are shown. One was fired strictly single-action while the other was fired with the first shot in each set being double-action with a single-action second shot. I used the Corbon ammunition as it had the sharpest recoil of any of the ammo fired today.
The transition from DA to SA did appear to result in some vertical stringing of shots.
Continued...