Re-visiting an old friend...My Nylon 66! What would you recommend?

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Do you guys want a story? Or do you want me to get to the point?

I do want your opinions, so let me know how you want me to deliver my quandary. I could do either. Because, behind every rifle, there is a story; Right?

Mikey!
 
Nylon 66

I have an Apache black Nylon 66 that I haven't fired in over 35 years. I would love to hear your story.
 
I'd like to hear the story, but I think I know what it is...so I will go ahead and answer...I say keep it original, or at least reversible. Don't go drilling and tapping any holes.

:)
 
Maverick,

You are in the ballpark, but no! I would never drill this. The question is regarding a scope!

Mikey!

A story to follow then!
 
The Nylon xx series were great rifles for what they were...good shooters, weather resistant and decently priced.

Not the most repeatable accuracy wise if scoped, since the scope used the "tip-off' mounts on the removevable receiver cover.

Overall, a pretty good "bang for the buck". Wish i still had mine...
 
About a year ago, maybe a little more, I dug my dad's .22 out of the garage and went and bought a box of ammo and went out to the BLM and shot a bunch of plastic bottles and paint cans with my boys. The paint cans had great results, spewing paint everywhere and the cans flying up in the air. It was great fun for us all!

Since figuring out that the old rifle still worked, I decided to clean it up. So, internet here I come. I found the manual and instructions on how to disassemble it and reassemble too. So, I went to Bi-Mart and got a cleaning kit which included some Hoppe's No9. BTW, This was my first ever experience with this product, and let me just tell you this. It was love at first whiff! I also picked up a package of targets and a 3-9X32 scope which came with rings.

I disassembled the rifle to the point where everything I read, said to stop, but I kept hearing a rattle deeper inside the action. I turned the rifle upside down and shook it. Nothing fell out. So, I kept going on the dis-assembly. I finally got inside deep enough that a small piece of 1/4" wide, spring steel about 1/4" long fell out on the kitchen table. I looked at it and saw that it had been broken and there must be more of it inside the rifle. So I got inside deeper and found the rest of it lodged under something. I dug it out and found it on a blow up parts list I had and found that it is part of the bullet feeding assembly. I found the part at Numrich's for around 3.00, but they wanted 5 or 6 bucks to send it. I know a stamp only costs .44 cents so I wasn't going to pay that kind of highway robbery. We shot it after that for a little while, but we couldn't get it to feed right for the most part, so eventually, I put the rifle back in the garage and went about my merry way.

Fast forward to about a month ago. I am out shooting my M1917 and the scope won't hold zero. I find that the screw that holds the sight leaf is broken and needs to be replaced. Where would I find such a part? You guessed it... Numrich's. Now I needed 2 parts and I figured since I am getting a new screw, I might as well get the nut too! So, I ordered the spring clip for the .22, and the screw and nut for the M1917.

The part arrived here at the house on Tuesday. I installed it and went out shooting for the rimfire competition on Wednesday. I did pretty good with it. I was actually pretty impressed how well the rifle shoots. But then again I was using the open sights, which is where my quandry comes in.

Way back when I had installed the scope, I was having problems with the wandering zero. When I had inquired here on THR, how to stop this problem, I think we deduced that because the scope is not mounted to the rifle's barrel it will be prone to a wandering zero if a scope is used. Looking back to the days of my dad shooting it, it had a scope on it and he never seemed to have any trouble with it.

Here is the second story for you all!
I must have been about 6 which would have made it about 1973. it was about 5am when my dad came into my room and woke me up, saying; "You want to see me shoot a dawg?" My eyes popped open and said "Sure!" I got dressed as fast as I ever could and ran out to the kitchen, where my dad stood waiting. He had a rifle in one hand, and a cup of coffee in the other. The rifle was the Nylon 66 I referred to before. He sat his coffee on the counter and said "Come on..." We snuck out the back door, closing it ever so quietly. We went down the walkway towards the pasture. As we got closer, I finally got a glimpse of the source of my dad's ire! It was an unimpressive dog, but come to find out the dog had gotten in the chicken coop overnight and had killed about 100-150 chickens. Right when I saw that dog, my dad raised up, and with the accuracy of a true marksman, dad fired that ol' Nylon 66, and even though that dog was running full stride from left to right of us, at 100yards, that bullet found it's mark and dropped that dog right there in it's tracks. If you looked for 100 years, you couldn't have found a more impressed 6 yr old boy than I was right then and there!

I will never forget that morning when dad woke me so early. We ended up burying that dog with the chickens. Dad said, "You wanted them, you can have 'em! G'Da** Dog anyway!" I saw a tear roll down his face. I am not sure which he was more upset at. Losing his chickens or taking a life. I never did get a chance to ask him. He passed away about 10 years later, and that's when mom gave me dad's rifle. It had a scope on it that dad used that day to shoot that dog. It never was taken off and put back on but dad never had problems with wandering zero's or anything like that. When dad needed to shoot something, he just grabbed the gun and pointed it and shot whatever he would try to hit.

I often wonder if his time spent in WWII maybe came rolling back into his thoughts that morning. I don't know, but I never had seen my dad cry before that.

What I am wondering is was there a package sold with these rifles that included a scope or was this an added thing my dad bought. The scope was a little thing and has since broken and has been thrown away many years ago. It was something like a 4X scope. Does anyone know where I could find a scope like this. Not a new style scope, but one of the exact types of scope that my dad had on it.

Would a fixed scope be better than a variable one? Does this rifle really need a scope? or should I just leave it with the irons. Has anyone ever figured out a way to make the scope mount as mentioned by others already in this thread as I wrote this between working and etc. more secure without altering the "Original" look of the rifle?

I really would like to scope it with a fixed scope and put it back the way dad had it. I just wish I wasn't a dumb teenager who broke the original scope by trying to open it up to find out what made it tick!

Thanks for reading, and helping if you can.

And NO... This rifle is at home here with me and will be my daughter's first real rifle. She has a BB gun a red ryder, but when she gets a bit older I am going to give it to her. Grandpa would want it that way!

Mikey!
 
I bought a Nylon 66 as a pawn shop orphan for $50.00 invested $13.00 in replacement parts and "bubba'd" the heck out of it to make my truck rifle (too rough to be collectible to begin with). I tried a 'scope on it and got complimented at the range by other shooters who observed the groups. I love my Marlin 60 (a gun shop used-rack-orphan fixer-upper) and my Nylon 66 too.

Wish I had as good a story to go with it. Maybe later.
 
I sure do not want to bubba this one. It looks near new. Very few scratches in the nylon stock. No rust to speak of on any of the metal, and it shoots pretty darn good with the irons.

Why would dad not have any problems with the scope. Or was he just that good of a marksman that it really didn't matter? He never went paper punching. He just used it for killin' varmints, and this dawg I told about, etc...
 
I would like to hear the story behind your rifle.

I too own a Remington Nylon model 66. I recieved it in a trade several years ago and thought due to its' light weight it would make a great rifle for my wife. I shot it several times at a range and wasn't overly impressed but thought it was a decent rifle. Then I took it rabbit hunting.

I had previously been using a Ruger 10/22 with a scope and the rabbits kept on getting away before I could make a shot. The open sights on the Remington allowed me to quickly take shots and I ended up with 2 rabbits the first day. On top of that the rifle was so light it didn't bother me at all to carry it any distance (I walked several miles for those 2 rabbits). With it's light weight quick handling and good magazine capacity I thought the Nylon model 66 was the quintessential rabbit rifle after that day. I still love that rifle and will likely keep it forever. It's claimed a few more rabbits to since that day, even one from my wife.
 
That is what I am looking for...woods bumming and rabbits.

I can't stomach the idea of buying a Ruger (thanks to Bill Ruger's freely given work in the magazine bans) so am wondering what else might be out there for the same role.

Remington offers nothing even close...the Mossberg seems very poorly made and I'v enot seem any glowing reports on either it's durability or accuracy. Most everything else is heavy.

Any thoughts?
 
The tube fed magazine through the butt stock holds 14 plus 1 in the chamber so 15 shots as fast as you can pull the trigger sure makes for alot of fun going downrange at a high rate of speed.

But what about the scope? Any Idea what could have been put on there in 1970, 71, or 72? I think dad bought it at the Sears Roebuck store in downtown Riverside Ca. which was the nearest town that had anything larger than a grocery store and gas pumps. We even had milk delivery until our cow got old enough to breed and have calves. Then in the off season when the cow wasn't producing we had to have something too! LOL

Man that was a good era to grow up in.
 
My first firearm was a Rem. Nylon 66 ---- got it around 1968 for a B-Day present when I was 10 !!!! It was Apache Black and Chrome ---- it looked better then my Dads old Playboy books { well , almost } -------- I shot that gun at least 200 rds. EVERY WEEK for about five years and killed piles of tree rats , frogs , blackbirds etc. etc.

Best thing is ---- I STILL OWN IT !!!! Best guess is I own around 50 firearms and in the last 40+ years , I've owned 300/500 others ---- I am so glad I kept my first gun.

Like me , it has some scars on it and stories to tell ---- it is my 12 year old daughter's favorite rifle and will be hers someday !!!

As to a scope --- I put a fixed 4x on it about 10 years ago --- kinda remember that I shot it better with open sights.
 
That is a great story.

Would a fixed scope be better than a variable one? Does this rifle really need a scope? or should I just leave it with the irons.
From how you did in the match, I would say you're good enough with irons, but I have always favored optics. If I scoped it I would probably go with a relatively inexpensive, fixed power scope. The Bushnell 4x Sportview would be a good fit. I have one that has held up for years without any trouble, and they can be found at WW for about $30.00 IIRC. The styling also fits the rifle pretty well IMO, because it is fairly small and looks traditional (no large turrets, illuminated reticle, et cetera). The scope that your father used was likely something similar (like an old Weaver).

:)
 
Hey Gunfighter,
I am glad you kept that rifle of yours too. Your daughter will be very happy to own it and someday when she grows up she will pass it along to her child too! It is a great heirloom. One hell of a lot better than some diamond ring or set of fancy dishes or something else like that. You can really use it and it has one of the best fun factors that you can get in life. Maybe not as fun as your dad's old playboy's but those go to the sons in the family! ;)

Maverick,
I have no clue what that old scope was. I do vaguely remember that the tube on it was very small compared to today's offerings. It seems like it was about a 1/2" tube compared to the 1" or 30mm tubes nowadays. It may have even been a 1x or 2x scope as it didn't seem to bring things too much closer than just looking at it with your eye.

I remember it was right after reading the book, Rambo: First Blood, that I took that scope apart. I was trying to figure out a way to make luminous paint, so I could put it on the cross hairs of that scope, like Rambo did to his scope in the book. I was having trouble finding luminous pain, so I decided I better figure out how to take the scope apart first, before wasting a bunch of time looking for the paint. That's when it happened. I got to the cross hairs and as soon as I touched one it sprung and flew across the room. That was that! My quest was over. He He!
 
I have no clue what that old scope was. I do vaguely remember that the tube on it was very small compared to today's offerings. It seems like it was about a 1/2" tube compared to the 1" or 30mm tubes nowadays. It may have even been a 1x or 2x scope as it didn't seem to bring things too much closer than just looking at it with your eye.
Sounds like it could have been an old Weaver b-4 (3/4in. tube) or k-4 (7/8in. tube), both were fixed 4x and common for rimfire rifles in the mid-20th century. They were well made but deficient by todays optical standards. I would highly suggest getting a modern 1" scope that is small, light, and looks similar, rather than going with a period scope.

:)
 
well, I have a 3-9X32 I could mount, but I wondered if the weight of it is what made it wander so much. That little scope only had one bell on it, and that was at the end where you look into it. No bell on the objective side. It only weighed a few ounces from what I remember, not like this one that weighs almost a pound or so. Sure seems to me that may make a difference.
 
My 31 YO Nylon 66 has been out in the barn for the last 18 years after the kids went to college. It still works everytime I need it with it's yearly clean up right before the rainy season. I keep it filled these days with Remington low noise hollow points which it feeds fine and shoots to the sights at 50 feet. Factory open sights only on barn rifles. This is my 2nd Nylon 66, the first I bought in the early 60s when they were only out a couple years.Somehow I lost that one. This one I bought it for my oldest son in 1979 and the next son used it too in the 80s. I learned on the first gun never to diss assemble one. Now I just squirt in a lot of Marvel mystery oil , work the action some, and blow it out with an air nozzle. and clean the barrel and then the feed ramp with a tooth brush followed by more air nozzle and a spray of Rem Oil. In the old days I used WD40.
 
It sure seems a lot of you guys have one these old gems! That's really cool!

Has anyone else heard of the scope I am trying to describe? Or is there a very small lightweight scope out there made today that I could put on and try it?
 
I always enjoyed the accuracy of my nylon 77, the detachable box mag version. Never cared for the style, but there was no arguing with the reliability and capability.

Back in the 60's, the 3/4" Weaver 4x was about all we ever saw on a rifle. I remember the teardrop plastic turret covers, the plastic objective lenses, and a pretty dim image. Few could afford to waste $9.95 on a gun with perfectly good open sights,

I don't think the issue is the weight of the scope. It's just that, like the SKS, the receiver cover can move around on the gun. Additionally, the plastic is more affected by temp than the metal, so point of impact changes. A low power scope might minimize these.
 
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