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I had carried many times in Regal theaters before noticing this sign and if I had somehow been caught I could make the case that the Management failed to make their desire to be "gun free" clear.
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So have I. Regal is the only cinema in this area besides the old theater that shows outdated movies. I haven't seen that sign before, but then again I wasn't looking for one since they carry no weight here.
I'd like to see one of these "no guns allowed on premises" businesses get their posteriors sued completely off (like bankrupcy) because they disarmed CCW holders who could have stopped a violent robbery/shooting/rampage/etc. Might send a message to the rest of them. Of course knowing how the sheep react they might throw up more signs thinking someone bent on robbing/killing is actually going to stop and read the signage at their target, much less obey it.
 
If you are concealing correctly, how will they ever know?

Regal has the lowest quality theaters in my area anyways. I don't recall ever seeing signs posted there, but have since found a nicer theater, which is not posted either.
 
Seen a theater or two in the Cinemark chain which didn't want guns in the building. Don't recall if they said .30-06 or not (no kidding, the sign saying you can't have a gun in Texas has to mention ordinance 30.06). Theaters don't like you carrying... though if a terrorist wants to wipe out a lot of people, he'd come into a movie theater. Think I did see a cop there, though.
 
Up here in MA, I've seen only ONE 'no weapons' sign, and NONE up in NH. The comany with a sign in the window is Charter Communications, if anyone knows of them.


I think the general idea is that everyone up here thinks only cops carry guns; In New Hampshire, they probably dont care.
 
Someone should make up some signs that say something to the effect of "No weapons permitted except for CCW permit holders". We all know how criminals totally obey signs, but maybe it would ease the mind of sheeple and lawyers.
 
You know, all I ever did was follow a Golden Rule-

"Say Nothing-Act Casual"

As for private property, well, the owner or leaseholder decides. I find it funny that the numerical designation for the "No CCW" law, in Texas, is 30-06.

:neener: to the bedwetters
 
My questions is: Could simply being on this property while disregarding the signage be a reason for the owner of the property to obtain a restraining order against you if he/she found out you were armed? Would that reason be reasonable?
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Well probably not. Unless you signed a form when you walked in it would be hard to prove that you saw and deliberatly ignored the sign.

Of course, they wouldnt need to obtain a restraining order to keep you off their property in the future, all they would need is a tresspass order, which is essentially just documentation that they told you not to come back, this can be obtained from just about any police officer, and they dont really need a reason (around here they will even give a property owner a stack of blank forms to fill out at their will). If you return to the property after being "tresspassed" you are tresspassing the moment you come through the door and can be arrested.
 
I think most movie theatres in Texas have the official "No weapons" signs. You know what I do? I don't go to those crumby theatres. :neener: Get a decent home theatre system, stay home, pop your own popcorn or have a nice montreal seasoned steak and roasted potatoes and wash it down with a beer. I've repeated this ad infinitum on multiple threads:

We are a capitalist country. If you don't like the law/rule/prices vote with your dollars. Don't go to Regal Cinemas.

If they lose enough money, they'll ask "why?" when they find out about ccw holders' protests, they may change policy. They may not, either way, they don't get your money. Don't feed your money into places with bad policies. For some reason Americans think that they're helpless to change laws and feel that they must always pay for things. Movies come out on DVD now roughly 1-2 months after being in the theatre. Just wait, it'll be on DVD. You can watch it at home. Pause, go to the bathroom, clean your Beretta, hell, you can 'open carry' in your home theatre.
 
CCW signs/civil lawsuits/theaters/private property

A movie theater like a business that is considered private property can post signs or warnings if they want but I agree, to have a no illegal weapons, drugs, etc signs would be a better idea than a ban on everyone. Citizens who carry concealed weapons and have valid CCWs or permits are different than criminals or gang members/drug dealers who pack weapons.

The active shooter incident in the big mall in WA shows why it's important for CCW holders to have weapons. LE can't be everywhere and the media/elected officals/big businesses need to be more supportive of CCW holders who have the legal right to carry firearms.

Rusty
 
I noticed the sign at a local Regal Cinema here a couple of months ago , talk about hard to see . I went ahead and ignored it on that trip and I haven't been back there since . Gotta love DVDs :neener:
 
Arkansas

This has been a nagging issue for me in Arkansas. The Arkansas State Police says the following:

"Any place where a property owner or manager has exercised discretion to prohibit the possession of a firearm."

The actual wording of the law is:
(b)(1) In addition to the places enumerated in this section, the carrying of
a concealed handgun may be disallowed in any place in the discretion of the
person or entity exercising control over the physical location of such place by
the placing of a written notice clearly readable at a distance of not less than
ten feet (10') that the "carrying of a handgun is prohibited."
(2) Provided, no sign shall be required for private homes, and any licensee
entering a private home shall notify the occupants that he is carrying a concealed handgun.
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The thing is, of the few places I've seen that posted, I don't think any of them use the exact wording included in quotes in the statute. Just a couple of days ago, I was at the Red Cross building in Little Rock, and it is posted with a sign that says something like "Concealed Carry is Prohibited in this Building." I don't remember the words exactly, but there were clearly some significant differences in wording. I think a case could be made that if the wording is not exact, it is of no force. But IANAL, and I'm not the person to test this law. I know of another location in Little Rock that is posted, but in a way that is all but impossible to read unless you are right up in front of it. I think I might be willing to take a chance on that one.

Then there's office in a tall building downtown that I go to sometimes. If I enter from one direction, I walk through a lobby with a bank branch in it, and that door is posted. About two hundred feet away is a door entering from another direction that is not posted. So it is pretty obvious that the posting is by the bank, not the building owner. Guess which one I use? BTW, I don't bank at that bank. The bank I bank at doesn't post.
 
Would you rather be caught with it and asked to leave on pain of a trespassing citation or caught without it and required to leave in an ambulance? Tradeoffs...
 
Would you rather be caught with it and asked to leave on pain of a trespassing citation or caught without it and required to leave in an ambulance? Tradeoffs...
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If all I had to fear was being asked to leave, or be cited, then there's no question I'd take the risk. But the way I read the law here, just carrying where prohibited will cost me my license. Then the question becomes would I rather would I rather take the chance that I won't need it in a prohibited place, and have it to carry everywhere else, or do I carry it in a prohibited place on the chance I'd need it, but get caught before I need it and lose the right to ever carry anywhere else again?

Like you said, tradeoffs...and frankly, I think the risk of getting caught carrying in a prohibited place is greater than the risk of actually needing the weapon in that same place, so when in doubt, I don't carry. Overall, I rate the probability of ever having to fire my piece in self-defense as pretty low. OTOH, I figure the probablility of being caught carrying where I shouldn't be as orders of magnitude greater.

I'd rather there were some precedent in Arkansas on some of these issues so I wouldn't have to make the choice.
 
It's the proprietor's right to forbid concealed firearms in their business

for the most part this is correct. The proprietor has a lot of rights to set up his business as he likes. There are a few catagories of restrictions a store owner cannot have, but these are pretty few (example, "No Jews, Muslims, or Blacks" won't fly. However, "No Red Baseball Hats" is just fine.

Now, these are just signs. They don't carry the weight of law, unless there is a specific law about them, which normally dictate EXACTLY what a gun sign must say. Just like the "NO Red Hats!" it really has no meaning. What IS important is the proprietor or an employer asking you to leave, either related to some infraction of a store policy, or for whatever. Failure to do that is tresspass.
 
I can't count the number of times I've carried in a Regal Cinemas theatre. They don't bother posting those signs in Oregon or Alaska, so I don't bother to take my weapon off. If they ever do start posting those signs, I will no longer carry there. However, I will no longer be going to their theatres either. I can wait till the movies come out on DVD and then watch them on my couch where no one can tell me what to carry. In fact, I may pull out the entire gun collection and lovingly fondle it while I watch the movie (I tend to do this with movies with guns in them, i.e. Tears of the Son)
 
akodo said:
Now, these are just signs. They don't carry the weight of law, unless there is a specific law about them, which normally dictate EXACTLY what a gun sign must say. Just like the "NO Red Hats!" it really has no meaning. What IS important is the proprietor or an employer asking you to leave, either related to some infraction of a store policy, or for whatever. Failure to do that is tresspass.
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Well, I know not to take legal advice I haven't paid for, but I'm certainly open to hearing people's opinions about this. If you read my first post in this thread, you'll see where I copied from Arkansas law describing what kind of sign must be posted. Questions about what is exactly required to conform to this aside, if the sign meets the requirements of the law, carrying is no longer just trespass. One is in violation of the law against carry in prohibited places, and in Arkansas, that's grounds for having my CHL revoked. So I think the risk here is a lot more than some of you make it out to be.
 
Chances are the only time those "guns prohibited" places are going to see your CCW is when it's out and barking. And at that point some piddly sign is the least of your worries.
 
You know, some enterprising 2A supporter could always open up their OWN cinema chain and make it CCW friendly...
 
Got a question for you, DoubleTapDrew

You say that those signs are meaningless in Oregon...


I thought that they were allowed to post those signs, and that I had to follow them.

Or do you mean that they hold no water legally... For example, they can ask me to leave, but I wouldn't face any criminal charges like I would if I went into the post office or something?

thanks


BTW, I have not seen the signs at a Regal theatre, I've gone to TV Hwy, Evergreen, and Pioneer Place I never saw the signs, and I was looking for them too.
Is this a recent policy change from Regal?
 
I think most movie theatres in Texas have the official "No weapons" signs.
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My experience is a bit different. Most of the theaters I’ve seen (including the ones in Regal’s group) if they have a sign at all it’s a little “gun busters” sign which means nothing in Texas (unless you get a seriously stupid LEO and then get a serious turd of an ADA and then have the even worse bad luck of getting an anti judge that wants to legislate from the bench … but I digress).

IF a Cinema was to have a proper 30.06 sign I’d simply go elsewhere, like I would with any business. But since none do then I’m pretty happy going in. The law is the law and if they REALLY wanted to ban CHL holders they would put up the proper signage. So I take the “gun busters” as a desire to keep most guns out but not CHL holders because the 30.06 provision gives them a way and they are not taking it.

The Regal group cinema that I’m most likely to attend doesn’t even come close to complying with 30.06. They have entry on 2 levels, Kiosks to purchase tickets, a main ticket booth with 6 or so positions. The ONLY sign is a small “gun busters” at the ticket booth.

While I do have some issues with Texas CHL (not many mind you), I think the 30.06 sign compliance is BRILLIANT. You gotta seriously want to keep CHL holders out and want to spend the $$$ to make it happen. On top of that, you have to want to ugly up the store front and any other entries with that huge sign. So when you see a 30.06 sign you KNOW you are dealing with a serious Blissninny and can divert your fundage accordingly.
 
Some states allow property owners to post no carry signs but they are often interrpreted as requiring specific wording and size to be legal (see the 30.96 Texas law). I think Utah requires businesses to provide lockers to put guns in if they ban concealed carry. My state allows places to post signs but I think the sign is specified by law as to exact wording and any other sign wouldn't hold up in court. I have only seen one sign posted and it was taken down a few days after I wrote to the owners and pointed out that crooks wouldn't obey it. I don't know if my letter prompted the sign's removal.
 
Got a question for you, DoubleTapDrew
You say that those signs are meaningless in Oregon...
I thought that they were allowed to post those signs, and that I had to follow them.
Or do you mean that they hold no water legally... For example, they can ask me to leave, but I wouldn't face any criminal charges like I would if I went into the post office or something?
thanks
BTW, I have not seen the signs at a Regal theatre, I've gone to TV Hwy, Evergreen, and Pioneer Place I never saw the signs, and I was looking for them too.
Is this a recent policy change from Regal?
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They can post whatever sign they want but they don't carry any weight legally like some states. They can ask you to leave and have you arrested for trespassing if you refuse. There are some places where it's illegal to carry (usually gov't buildings) like you mentioned.
I haven't been to the theater recently to see if there are signs so I'm not sure if it's recent or if they don't have them here. The last Regal I went to was Sherwood and didn't notice any.
 
In GA those signs have no force of law.

If you're caught, managment can ask you to leave. If you don't you can be arested for tresspass.
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Anybody know if this is true in AZ?
 
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