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Discussion in 'Legal' started by odorf, Nov 29, 2012.

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  1. Librarian

    Librarian Well-Known Member

    Both statements are true, I think - but California does not generally require that guns be registered.

    That's distinct from the practice of sending make/model/caliber and purchaser information to Sacramento for handgun purchases through CA-licensed FFLs.

    Long guns are not 'registered' at all (beginning 2014, same info will be sent to Sacramento on long guns as now is done for handguns).

    See also the Calguns Foundation wiki article -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Firearms_registration
  2. BSA1

    BSA1 Well-Known Member

    Most states are already registering gun owners though such things as Permit to Purchase Firearm and Concealed Carry Permits.
  3. Guillermo

    Guillermo member

    I don't want to do that anymore than anyone wants to see it done.

  4. mgmorden

    mgmorden Well-Known Member

    Knowing that someone owns a gun isn't all that valuable. You've got a 25% chance of scoring a "yes" just picking randomly.

    Besides, there are more gun owners without permits than with. Don't forget that hunting and target shooting are still major reasons for gun ownership, and even among those that own them for protection many are using it for home protection rather than carry.
  5. DurangoKid

    DurangoKid Well-Known Member

    I was contacted by the BATF in 2000. The BATF was following up on a crime scene in California. They found a .44 Caliber revolver that I had bought in 1970. The state where the gun was purchased did not have registration. I can assure you the Feds are not throwing out the 4477 Forums. I was interviewed 2 times regarding what I had done with the revolver. :(
  6. OilyPablo

    OilyPablo Well-Known Member

    WA state claims there is no registration. BUT if you have a CPL, the police have a database of all CPL holders AND it shows exactly what guns you have purchased.
  7. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Well-Known Member

    The Instant Check NICS records are supposed to be thrown out if the gun purchaser is cleared.

    The Form 4473 transaction record when the gun was bought, however, will be kept in the dealers bound book and if the dealer goes out of business the 4473s become property of the ATF.

    The ATF can trace a crime scene gun from dealer/importer records to distributor records to retail sales record--the 4473--as part of an ongoing investigation. Also a lot of guns reported stolen go on the crime info computer NCIC.

    Aren't we all? NYC is really big on registration. There are about 25,000 registered handguns in NYC. There are an estimated one to two million unregistered handguns "on the streets" in NYC, the number cited sourced variously to ATF or NYPD. SO, if the TV show is set in NYC, nonregistered firearm is a BIG DEAL. Some New York writers are unaware of anything else being the norm.
  8. w8qf

    w8qf New Member

    When you fill out the registration at your gun dealer it never leaves their business until 20 years later when it is destroyed. Also, you might be interested to know that some ex-felons are not banned from gun ownership. It depends on their conviction and if all their rights were restored in the end.
  9. Twiki357

    Twiki357 Well-Known Member

    I can't speak to any other states, but california's registration is pretty screwed up. I recently got one of the CA attorney general reports on the guns that I purchased back in the 1960s when I lived there. Two guns were not on the report and one of the two that were stolen in the mid 1980s was still shown as being in my possession.

    I always get a kick out of the CSI programs (Miami & Las Vegas) with their [unregistered] guns since neither FL or NV have any registration.
  10. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Well-Known Member

    4473 Forms

    It is the dealer who 'throws them out', not the feds.
    I don't think ANY ex-felons/felons are banned from gun ownership. It's the POSSESSION of a firearm from which they are prohibited. This thread isn't about that though; drift apologies.
  11. zignal_zero

    zignal_zero Well-Known Member

    FL has a state law AGAINST registering firearms. I always got a kick out of the tattle tales who would try to rat out an X friend to me. They'd tell me "he smokes weed" I'd be like "oh my God call the DEA!" Then they'd tell me "he has a gun and it isn't registered" then I'd get to say "it BETTER not be!" Eventually they'd figure out I wasn't a dog they could just sick on people they didn't like anymore :D

    Unfortunately, you would be very surprised how much info makes it from the 4473 to the ATF :( I know because I was one of only two officers, at my old agency, who was authorized to use the ATF's "trace" system. I had my own login on their website and, when I entered a serial number, I would get the last time it was sold from a dealer AND the name of the purchaser. I guess technically they're not registering guns but rather recording transactions :(
  12. brickeyee

    brickeyee Well-Known Member

    It is a 4473, and the 'bound book' lives forever.
  13. ElToro

    ElToro Well-Known Member

    in california it is de facto registered with the state DOJ when you buy a handgun from a dealer or do the lawful thing and do a PPT at an FFL. Long guns will be starting 1-1-13.
    beleive it or dont it IS still legal to own a "un registered" gun but there are enhancements for using one in a crime. it is also legal to buy a 50+ year old long gun in your favorite parking lot without the benefit of a FFL and waiting 10 days. only pre 1899 handguns can you do that in CA. interfamily tarnsfer is a different story and you are supposed to self mail in a piece of paper to .gov with $19 telling them your dad gave you a handgun.

    i have no doubt the 4473 data is held somewhere forever.
  14. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    The biggest perpetrator of this notion is on cop shows, Law & Order in particular. They always manage to know who owns every single gun in the city. New York does require registration, but they don't very often show how it works in the vast majority of gun crimes there, where the perp uses......SOMEONE ELSE'S GUN.

    They also loudly lament that it is easy to bring in a gun from out of state, because the rest of them aren't as wise as New York.
  15. mgkdrgn

    mgkdrgn Well-Known Member

    Ummm, nope.

    You can own a gun without a Carry Permit. And having a Carry Permit does not mean you own a gun (reasonable to assume I agree, but not a sure thing)

    All in all, there are actually very -few- places in this country that have gun "registration". Its a myth perpetuated by TV and the media.

    Same goes for the "stolen gun list". I'm an FFL, and I don't have any way on this gods green earth of determining if a gun is "stolen" or not.
  16. mgkdrgn

    mgkdrgn Well-Known Member

    The 4473 "data" exists no where else than on the 4473 form. That sits in the FFL's file cabinet for a minimum of 7 years, after which he can destroy it. His "bound book" he has to keep for 20.

    The only 4473 info that is sent to NICS for the background check is Name, address, height/weight/ethnicity, M/F, place of birth/residence, ssn if supplied, upin if supplied. The ONLY gun related info is "Long gun, Hand Gun, Other".
  17. OilyPablo

    OilyPablo Well-Known Member

    Wa state!!

    Most of you CLEARLY don't know WA state.

    Absolutely every time a CPL owner buys a gun it goes on a list, by NAME, showing EVERY GUN purchased from a dealer since obtaining the CPL. Every 2 bit cop and podunk force can simply click twice and see what you have purchased. Of course nothing comes OFF the list.

    It's incredibly stupid and many here as we learn of this list think it violates the state and US Constitution.


    I have informed the 2nd Ad. Org locally. This could be interesting.
  18. armoredman

    armoredman Well-Known Member

    mljdeckard, Law and Order, while a great show for pure entertainment, is produced by that rabid anti, Dick Wolf. Even on the one or two shows where he shows a law abiding gun owner in the right, the gun owner is portrayed as a scumbag just barely on the good side of legal, and the cops hate him anyway. I wonder how Ice-T manages to work under that, considering he's very pro gun. On the other hand, as said, it's entertainment, and even though I can count Constitutional violations on one, sometimes both hands per episode, it's just TV, means nothing.
    I love living in AZ...registration is a big no-no.
  19. Quiet

    Quiet Well-Known Member

    Most writers for tv shows do not know acutal laws and/or police procedures and just write in what they think it is, which is most often times wrong.
  20. 44 Dave

    44 Dave Well-Known Member

    A friend of mine has a pistol he said he will never part with because it registered to a dead guy in Chicago!
    I only have 2 registered guns out of the dozen or so I own.
    I am sure my concealed carry permit puts me on a list some where, even here in Wisconsin
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2012
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