reloading for friends question

[stavman11]

I personaly dont let friends use MY LOADS in their Guns... They can shoot Mine, but thats it

Not worth the WHAT IF's

Thats My feelings

 

[kostyanj]

Is it a violation if they paid you to use your equipment to load their own ammo?
Seems that you are merely leasing equipment in that circumstance. I dont know.

But, what if same as above, but you supply the materials too, and charge more than you paid for them? (and again, they do their own work) Again, I dont know. I have absolutely no plans for any of this, and not trying to skirt law here, just fleshing out a few "close to the line" scenarios to make this clear to all..."The Fed is a formidable opponent" is what I tell all my clients...."they have access to all the money they need to enforce the law". "How much do you have?"

Gun owners are already under enough political fire, lets not give the antis any more ammo!

If anyone knows these answers or can get them, I would appreciate it, and it might help others here understand...

Russellc

Russell,

I asked this same question on another board because of a business idea I had. I got all sorts of answers and confirmed my suspicion that no one really knows and people are terrified of litigation. I personally don't think that would be illegal as you never manufactured the ammo but some people claim different. I had a former personal injury attorney (ambulance chaser) try to "educate" me on the dangers of what I consider a perfectly legal business venture.

I see it this way: home depot is no more liable for you killing someone or severing your own limb with one of their chainsaws than you would be from someone renting your press.

That being said, being dragged through court is never fun and always unpredictable. I'm still debating my business venture and have calls into a few lawyers to get a straight answer.

 

[Searcher4851]

Good luck on getting a straight answer from a lawyer. I have 2 in the family, and straight answers are few and far between.

 

[X-Rap]

Liability is certainly a huge concern in this country. With that said the same people that are allowed to shoot on our private range can probably shoot my reloads with about equal worry. The list beyond immediate family is very short.
I encourage all of them to get involved with reloading on their own, my dad has no interest and my kids are still to transient, I'm gathering gear for them all as well as a couple friends.

 

[BBQJOE]

I thought the issue here was not so much as making a profit or getting paid, but one of manufacturing and distribution.

I are not a lawyer.

 

[meleors]

I don't reload for friends or anyone else. Not because of concerns of liability or legality but because if I did, I would be spending all my free time making ammo for everyone.

If a friend wishes to come over and pull the handle while I supervise, no problem. Funny how no one has taken me up on that offer. I guess my friends consider their time to be more valuable than mine.

 

[FROGO207]

I have to agree with post 31 there. EVERYONE and their brother wants me to reload for them and are willing to pay me what it costs me for stuff for my reloads but when it comes down to pulling the handle and the actual labor they all loose interest really quick. One in 20 will actually put forth the effort to learn how to reload to any degree of proficiency.

 

[buck460XVR]

No one has ever had criminal charges brought against them or been convicted or been put in prison for loading ammunition for others with compensation. I'd like someone to prove it otherwise.

Excellent point. I reload for me, and my immediate family. I let friends shoot my guns with my reloads. Because of this I am very diligent. If they want reloads for their own use in their firearms, they are welcome to use my tools if they don't already have them and I am happy to show them how. I am not worried about my reloads hurting anyone or anyone's firearm. But if my friends have a problem with their firearms, the last thing I want, is for them to suspect my ammo as the cause. I've had good friendships go downhill for less.

 

[BruceB]

As usual, many are MISSING THE POINT.

Once you load ammo for someone and that person takes possession of it, your fate is in the wind.

If there is an accident/incident , IT DOESN'T MATTER if it was your ammo or someone else's production. If there's a lawsuit against YOU because his wife knows you made some rounds for the shooter, how do you prove it wasn't your ammo???

ANSWER: You can't.

Common sense (not so common, of course) dictates that we protect ourselves by NOT exposing our families and futures to any such avoidable risk.
For those who are forever prattling about "Show me the lawsuit" ... see "common sense" above.

Jeff Cooper once wrote, "THE LAW IF AVERAGES IS FAINT COMFORT, IF YOU ARE THE EXCEPTION." Think about it.