Remember me saying I hate feral dogs????

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Had a pack kill my cats a while back. Shot at one to run 'em off not knowing they'd killed my old house cat. Found her out back mowing and then I was POed for sure. These dogs had killed my other cat's kittens, but I was going to have to give 'em away anyway.

They came back not long ago, I heard 'em barking down the street. I grabbed my .22 in the corner of my bedroom. My surviving cat was in the house, heard the barking, and bristled and growled like a friggin' mountain lion. I stepped out on the porch when the lead dog, a brown colored mutt, smallish, came around the driveway. I chambered a round and he took off like a banshee, apparently knew what a rifle was.

Well, this was in the paper today. These, I'm convinced, are the same danged dogs! I'm a couple of miles from the library they speak of. These dogs get around! I know John and glad he got a couple of 'em. I've been waiting for them to show back up so I could maybe torture the things some. That lead dog, be fun to shoot his lower jaw off so he'd starve to death. That's how much hatred I've built up thinking about these animals.

http://www.portlavacawave.com/articles/2006/08/04/news/news01.txt

Stray dogs kill sheep herd

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Friday, August 4, 2006 12:59 PM CDT







By CHARLYN FINN - A pack of dogs killed 13 of a Six Mile resident’s exotic sheep Saturday, July 23. John Kabela lost $6,000 worth of Painted Desert rams in the attack. Kabela, who had the sheep in his pasture on Bauer Road, managed to shoot two of the dogs but the rest escaped.

“These were just small dogs, the largest was not taller than 18 inches,” Kabela said. “They were mostly a reddish-tan color. One of those I shot was a kind of gray color.”

Kabela contacted both the Calhoun County Sheriff’s Department and the Port Lavaca Animal Control office. Animal control officials tracked the dogs to Port Lavaca and found a place where they had been staying behind the Calhoun County Library, about 10 miles from the scene. Some of the dogs were located and had blood on their heads and chests.

Deputies are attempting to locate the rest of the dogs. Sheriff B.B. Browning said the canines did more damage the past Sunday to a county airport metal building used by a remote control airplane club.

“They must have chased some kind of an animal in there and actually bit holes in the building,” Browning said.

Kabela said Painted Desert Sheep grow hair instead of wool. They are sold to exotic game ranches. He said the sheep are rather special due to their multiple coloring.

“They are very docile and not in the least bit aggressive. They can be stressed out simply by being chased,” Kabela said. “They go into shock. After a while they just lay down and die. Out of 22 rams, I lost 13 to the dogs.”

Kabela said his rams did not die from stress but from a vicious attack. He said the sheep suffered many bites and were found with their entrails lying on the ground. They had bites all over their bodies and especially in the region of their heads and necks.

Kabela said he is concerned about the dogs running loose.

“They might attack people, little children,” he said. “My mother is 80-years-old and she lives on Bauer Road by my pasture.”

If the dogs had not killed his rams, Kabela would have sold the hair-bearers in an auction the past weekend. Many of them had reached trophy value, with long horns, he said.

One of the rams killed was four-and-a-half years old and several were one-and-a-half. Kabela is concerned that more of his rams may die due to the stress they experienced.

“I expect to lose more,” he said. “If they survive over the next few days they should be all right.” Kabela said he will continue to raise sheep. He still has some ewes and some young rams.

Browning reminds local residents that the county has a leash law that applies to dogs outside of city limits. Landowners have the right to kill stray dogs on their property.
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I love dogs but have no problem with killing ferals or nuisance animals.
However, I have a problem with this statement.
I've been waiting for them to show back up so I could maybe torture the things some. That lead dog, be fun to shoot his lower jaw off so he'd starve to death. That's how much hatred I've built up thinking about these animals.
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I sincerely hope you weren't serious.
 
Oh, no, I HATE these animals. I'd like to see 'em suffer. If I could get in proximity to one, I'd beat the ba$%^#d to death, kill 'em slow with my bare hands. They Peed me off when they killed my house cat.

I ain't an animal hater, have owned dogs in the past. I love a good labrador, am a duck hunter, but these animals deserve no mercy. These ain't dogs, they're friggin' devils. They tortured the kittens, I don't mind returning the favor. And, I'd as soon they run off and die behind the library.:fire: :fire: :fire:

From the article:

“They might attack people, little children,” he said. “My mother is 80-years-old and she lives on Bauer Road by my pasture.”
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This is no exaggeration. From what I saw of these animals, I think they'd kill anything, including a child. They didn't attack me, because I kicked the crap out of the lead dog when he was runnin' off the porch and when he turned growling, I shot into the ground with my .22 NAA mini to run him off. I wish I had that shot back, I wouldn't put it into the ground. I found my dead cat the next day. That's when I REALLY got mad. At the time, I wasn't real sure it might not be someone's pet, but he ain't and even if he was, I'd be within my rights to kill 'em, slow or fast don't matter to me.

If I get another chance, I won't be placing my shots particularly. I'll be shooting fast so as to hit as many as possible. If a shot is a gut shot, it'll do its job eventually. I'm out to kill maximum number, not particular how much they suffer.
 
MCGunner

I know you have been around long enough to know what is the "high road" and what isn't so I won't preach to you about humane methods of dispatching ferral pests.

I will say though that this situation is not the fault of the dogs. Some person/people abandond these animals and they were left to thier own devices. They are simply doing what dogs do. I have killed many ferral dogs and cats over the years. I dispatch them with as much care as I do any game animal.

As a side note about these sheep:

"They are sold to exotic game ranches." and "They can be stressed out simply by being chased...They go into shock. After a while they just lay down and die."

Why do I get the vision of some Saturday morning hunting Tv show camo-dressed redneck hiding in a bush waiting for one walk by, jumps out an yells BOO and waits for it to fall over dead.

ROFL, I chuckle just thinking about it.
 
Its not really the dogs fault they are like they are. Thats just nature taking its course - and the loss of any human companionship.

I've got no problem with putting them down, but as sentient human beings there really is no need to needlessly torture the thing for doing what it does.
 
Oh, I'm just venting my feelings, though if and when I ever get to shoot again, it'll be for speed. I lost my old cat to these devils and I really did love that cat. I'll be trying to hit as many as possible before the split. If I gut shoot 'em and they stick around, I'll finish 'em off and throw 'em in the dumpster next door. I won't be TRYING to torture the things, but I won't worry a lot about crippling one if it means I have time to get another one. I'll just be firing as fast as I see fur in the scope.

I really do consider these things devil dogs, though. They really could hurt someone. I think that animal would have attacked me if I hadn't been so agressive with him and fired a shot to run 'em off.

Why do I get the vision of some Saturday morning hunting Tv show camo-dressed redneck hiding in a bush waiting for one walk by, jumps out an yells BOO and waits for it to fall over dead.
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Probably because it is pretty true. I've been on one of these high fence ranches on a cheap meat hog hunt. The friggin' exotics are PETS! They had these muffolon or however you spell it. I saw one coming down a trail and just stood still in my camo. He walked up, sniffed me, turned around and walked off. That same day I actually had a red stag walk up to me as if beggin' for a hand out!

When this guy that runs that ranch was taking me around when I got there, he says, "I like to let my hunters out to make a stalk before we get to 'em (talking about the red deer). :rolleyes: Some stalk, just walk down the road tossing corn and yelling "suuuuuieeeee" and they'll walk right up to you and you can stab 'em and save a bullet. :rolleyes: I coulda killed that sheep with a hammer. They get big money for one of those exotics, though. But, that ain't what I'm into. I'd rather hunt and come home empty, myself. Shooting pet deer isn't hunting.

But, I can't knock all these exotic ranches. Heck, I've heard there are many exotics that are more populus in Texas than in their native habitat. They do a service to the world of hunting, in a way, I guess. They won't be getting any of MY money, though. If I could afford one of those high fence "hunts", I could afford a guided hunt in Alaska...:rolleyes: Which would YOU prefer???
 
If I gut shoot 'em and they stick around, I'll finish 'em off and throw 'em in the dumpster next door. I won't be TRYING to torture the things, but I won't worry a lot about crippling one if it means I have time to get another one. I'll just be firing as fast as I see fur in the scope.
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OK, thats cool. No problem with that. I was just a bit troubled at the thought of someone purposely trying to remove the lower jaw.

Had a monster in my grandmothers neighborhood who toprtured a large number of dogs and cats (as well as lighting them on fire, throwing them in buckets of bleach and oven cleaner, etc). That of course, was back in the Pre Guiliani New York.
 
Yeah, well, that's just sick and anyone who would do that would probably have no problem doing it to a person. I don't hate dogs or cats, love a good pet like anyone else. But, feral dogs can become more than a nuisance, they can become down right dangerous. Whatever the cause of these animals doing what they do, they need to be weeded out. It's like the killer who rapes and murders a woman, just because his mama and daddy beat him and treated him like dung, doesn't mean he shouldn't be executed for his crimes. JMHO, of course, being a Texan. Like Ron White says, "Other states are outlawing the death penalty, my state's puttin' in and express line."

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Dear World,

MCgunner does NOT REPRESENT the average firearms owner. We may find the need to dispatch animals at times but WE DO NOT ENDORSE TORTURE.
 
MCgunner,
I realize you were just venting. We have a feral dog problem around here, too. They will attack children, and adults for that matter. Some people will let their dogs "run" and when you let 2 or more dogs out together, they go hunting. Between the ferals and the irresponsible owners, pet cats can live a short life around here. I have 2 cats. They stay inside, most of the time. If either of these was killed, I'd want revenge, too.

I've killed both feral dogs and cats in my yard. I always try for a clean kill, like I'm sure you do, and most of the time I'm successful. I accidently removed a feral cats jaw with a .22 one time. It wasn't pretty. I had to chase it down the street and finish it off under my neighbors back porch. He was not amused.
On the other hand, I've also had to finish off some of my mother-in-laws cats that feral dogs have gotten hold of, so I understand where you are coming from.
I'm sure you will agree, when you cool off a little, that nothing deserves to suffer. I don't use a .22 on dogs. Buckshot, your .357, anything you'd use on a similar sized game animal. You know that, though.

The locals around here will organize a hunt when things get too bad. The local hunt clubs get together and run drives through the woods. Maybe you all could do the same, especially since it made the front page. I remember a few years ago when I lived on Hatteras Island they put a notice in the paper for everyone that owned a cat to keep them inside that weekend. I heard gunshots all weekend.
Feral dogs and cats respond well to predator calls. They'll also come to bait.

It's pretty ironic, but I bet that some of the people who raise the most hell about putting down feral animals are also the same people who created the problem to begin with.

Kill'em clean and Good Hunting.
 
I'm with Swampdog. In my home town, the Sheriff's Office used to put together a group of volunteers a couple of times a year to go on a Feral Dog hunt. Threw in a couple of deputies in uniform in case anybody had any questions about a bunch of folks running around with shotguns and .30-30's shooting at dogs.

That kept them pretty thinned out. The first couple of hunts were free-for-all shoot-em-ups, though, as the ferals hadn't been targeted before, and there were a whole load of them.
 
A number of years ago, before Austintatious metastacized so much, a buddy of mine had a small sheep-ranching operation just south of Georgetown. He lost some sheep to a pack of dogs.

One Saturday morning he spotted the pack; shot a couple of them, although not before they'd killed a couple more sheep.

Lo and behold, one of the dogs not only had a collar, but it had rabies tags and a tag with the owner's name and telephone number. He called the number and told the owner the dog was over in the pasture.

"I'll be right over and get him!"

"No hurry; he's not going anywhere..."

The owner, who lived not far away at the edge of town, could not really believe that Darling Fido would do such a horrible thing, even though the dog had a bloody mouth and there was the dead sheep as evidence.

This is not uncommon: Precious Pup hangs around the house, beloved of the children--until he goes out with other PPs to kill.

Art
 
I've whacked quite a few over the years. Farmers let me hunt coyotes under the condition that if I see a dog without a collar I shoot it. If it has a collar and is chasing cows/deer I shoot it. If its an obvious stray/ drop off I shoot it. Any cat in the woods - you guessed it. They will kill whatever they can catch. My worst was a large brindle brown pit bull that had a calf down. I hit it once with a .223 at about 150 yds and it ran into a large briar patch. I went in after it with a 1911A1 and hit it five seperate times before it stayed down. Never could get a clear shot in the undergrowth. I came back the next day to show the farmer and it was stripped clean.

rk
 
I had a wonderful little dog my parents got for me when I was 3. I grew up with that dog, It wasnt a dog it was a member of the family. One day when I was 18 that dog dissapered. We lived out in the country and a few days later while riding my quad down by the creek found my little dogs head. Coyotes were the culprits. Now it is my mission in life to put coyotes on the endanaged species list. seven years latter I still shoot every coyote I see, I even go so far as to floor it and swerve for them when I see them on the road. My thought is if I kill enough of them I will get, or have got the one that killed my dog. If I keep killing them I will get its family and decendents. I dont care how I take them gut shot, leg shot so there crippled and cant hunt, it doesnt matter I just want them all dead. So I understand how you feel about your cat.

Oh and by the way, where do you live that you can get away with shooting in your front yard?
 
A friend of mine was telling me a story about a now famous Texas lawmen who shall remain unnamed as he is quite prolific in some circles today.

In any case the lawmen received a call from a distraught land owner about a destructive dog. The lawmen replied telling the landowner that the next time he sees the dog he should go ahead and shoot it.

Twenty minutes later the lawmen gets a frantic phone call from a man. Apparently “someone” had just drove by his house and shot his dog off the porch!:D :D
 
not in the badger state

just thought i'd chime in here. In Wisconsin the law says You need to prove[have Your property:dog,cat,calf,etc...]that a feral animal is causing destruction.So basically,,if it ain't in it's mouth,You have know right to kill it.
And it is so true about feral animals becoming destructive away from home.Song birds are killed by cats that are let outside more than by any other controlable means.Country dogs that go out and meet the pack. Can go on killing sprees till it's time to bring the cows home.They will usually go to a place other than one of the home farms.Mean while a fox,coon,mink comes in and raids the chicken coop.
My moto:LEASH OR NOT,THEY ARE DOWN. And,yes a 22 will and can drop a dog in it's track.If You have a clean shot and the dogs adrenaline is'nt jacked up.
 
If you're that mad at them, USE SOMETHING BIGGER THAN A .22! Animals that dangerous call for something centerfire, surely. Trying to wound them is just going to make them MORE DANGEROUS to the old grandma you reference. Use your brain.

I can't go blastin' 'em with a 12 gauge here.
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Dude, if they're really that big a danger why the heck not? Are you telling me the locals will come down on you for killing feral dogs that just slaughtered a bunch of sheep? Or complain about the noise? If so, I'd consider moving and telling them to go to hell. If a rogue bear was doing that in my old neck of the woods (and one has been, near Indian), people would be out there with everything this side of an M-2. Why hold back? Why play stupid games trying to shoot the jaw off with a plinker. If you're going to kill them, KILL THEM. The .22 is for bunnies and grouse, not wild dogs.
 
I feel the same way about coyotes as mcgunner feels about feral dogs. Coyotes have killed 5 of my cats in the last 4 years. I gut shot one at 100yds with a .22 mag, and feel zero remorse. I know i gut shot it because i followed the blood trail about 600ft through the woods and came up to a big pool. Funny thing is, after the pool, there was no coyote and no blood anywhere. Guess it just run out of blood to bleed.
 
You lower 48'ers are relying on rimfires too much for large pest control. The .223 would seem to me a far better and more effective choice. That pack of feral dogs calls for liberal application of an AR-15 or Mini-14, for example.
 
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