Removing the cylinder

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It's more about understanding mechanical things. If you do, you can "see" how it works without actually seeing it. It's just a natural gift. Somes got it, some aint!!!

45 Dragoon
 
Where did those of you who knew how to do it read it? or were you taught this technique? I dont see anything about this in the "instructions" and i have 5 i bought new in the box with all the paperwork with them i just went threw all the papers and i dont see anything about this in them.
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As I have already said, I figured it out on my own. No, there was nothing written that came along with the gun, and there were no internet videos in 1975. I just sat down and figured out what worked.
 
Swaps are movie stuff. I holster two .44 C&B revolvers and pack a 10" Bowie in a cross draw sheath. If I can't get the job done in 10 shots, I hope I can use my knife. If my target is a bear, he'/she's already munching my face.

Keereyest!

FH (infamous one-eyed bear hunter)
 
Flatbush Harry said:
Swaps are movie stuff. I holster two .44 C&B revolvers and pack a 10" Bowie in a cross draw sheath. If I can't get the job done in 10 shots, I hope I can use my knife. If my target is a bear, he'/she's already munching my face.

Keereyest!

FH (infamous one-eyed bear hunter)
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And for the cartridge conversions.
 
Indeed, xylinder swaps with Remingtons are movie moves, but remember that there are numerous references to Jack Hays Rangers doing just that with their Patersons when fighting the Comanche in the early to mid 1840s. Each of the Patersons he acquired from the Texas Navy warehouse in Galveston came with 2 cylinders serial numbered to the revolver and no on board loading lever.
 
There are references also in the Pony Express where the riders would carry a Colt with a spare cylinder if they were unfortunate enough to find themselves afoot in hostile territory. But, there are many more stories of people carrying additional revolvers like Cole Younger during the War was supposed to have carried numerous revolvers on him and his horse.
 
Can you imagine having one of Jack Hays Ranger's Texas Patersons with its 2 serial numbered cylinders tucked away in your safe. Talk about a retirement income. :)
 
Indeed, xylinder swaps with Remingtons are movie moves, but remember that there are numerous references to Jack Hays Rangers doing just that with their Patersons when fighting the Comanche in the early to mid 1840s. Each of the Patersons he acquired from the Texas Navy warehouse in Galveston came with 2 cylinders serial numbered to the revolver and no on board loading lever.
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Howdy Again

Not just in the movies. Popping the cylinder out and popping it back in again is exactly how I treat my Remmies when I bring them to a CAS match. Mine are equipped with the original R&D conversion cylinders and I shoot them with Black Powder loads of either 45 Colt or 45 Schofield. There is no loading gate on my guns. In order to reload I have to pop the cylinder out, remove the cylinder cap, dump out the empties, put in five more rounds, pop the cap back on the cylinder, and pop the cylinder back in the the gun. That's the only way to reload, ya can't get the empties out and fresh ones in unless you remove the cylinder. So being able to effortlessly remove the cylinder makes things much easier. I have two such conversion cylinder equipped Remmies, my old Euroarms that I bought back in 1975, and a stainless Uberti that I bought about ten years ago.

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Regarding Patersons, there was no way to reload them in the field. Besides the fact that there was no loading lever, a special tool was provided with each gun for reloading the cylinders. You had to use the tool to reload the cylinder, after you had pulled the wedge, removed the barrel, and pulled the cylinder out. Not something that was possible to do in combat conditions.

The Paterson Colt was very much a learning experience for Colt. Besides the fact that he went bankrupt after producing them, the Paterson was only five shots, and reloading was difficult. About ten years later when Colt collaborated with Captain Walker over the Walker Colt, they took to heart some of these lessons learned, making the gun a 44 caliber six shooter and adding a loading lever. There were some pretty significant changes to the frame and lockwork too. But the pendulum swung too far and the behemoth they created was too big to be practical. That's why there were only 1100 made. Still in the learning curve, Colt kept working through the Dragoon series until the 1851 Navy was built and the 1860 Army, the epitome of percussion revolver design.

In my humble opinion of course.
 
I think the remington would be a better gun to have a conversion for only because the ruger cylinder pin falls apart. Atleast mine does, like phil said its like a little jigsaw puzzle. The Remington stays on the gun and is all 1 single unit

Unless there is a way to keep the ruger loading lever all together like the remington i dont see it being very handy to swap.
 
I agree Driftwood.
The Remies are the easy pop in / pop outs and the Pattersons would be deadly to reload in the field . . . . . . . . but, I gotta say, the Dragoons with gated conversions are lightyears ahead of the Patersons and maybe a little slower than Remies (maybe) but they are . . . . tha bees knees !!!!! As much as I love my '73 copy (El Patron Comp. that I fixed), I Dragoons are just toooo much fun!!!!

45 Dragoon
 
IMHO a Paterson with the two original matching sn cylinders with Ranger provenance would be priceless. I wonder how much Jack Hays's presentation civilian Whitneyville Walker #1001 that was displayed at the Texas Cowboy Hall of Fame in Fort Worth is valued at? The very first production Walker (all of the 100 civilian Walkers were produced before any of the military Walkers, presented to Hays by Colt). Care to speculate on its value?
 
I'd throw it out there at a prestigious auction house and let it run until the cows come home. :)

I've always heard this, "Buy the Colt, you'll love it and your grandkids will love you after they inherit it."
 
BowerR64 said:
You notice the last cylinder he wiggles the hammer a little trying to get the last one in.

Could be because of the fouling from the first 2 but he still has a little struggle. Also its capped

The first 2 cylinders he tips the gun away from the camera so you cant really see what he is doing but i wonder if he isnt doing the same thing he did with the last one.

Hammer is down till he goes to insert the cylinder and he rocks the hammer back and forth till it slips in and the pin fits.

If the way i do it isnt safe i just wont load a cylinder with caps on it and i wont mess with a conversion cylinder.
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The last cyl was a conversion and was,is always tight and harder to get in.

I mentioned it when i posted the vid here I had a big cushion/mattress spread out underneath me in case of accidental drops.

the original thread

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=567746
 
It is not nice to drop a loaded & capped cylinder.

Though, I imagine it is nicer than being worked over by that Comanche.

We have very little trouble with the native Americans on our local range, so loaded & capped cylinders are frowned upon.

I have an early 2nd model Colt dragoon #89xx matching, except cylinder 94xx. Matching patina suggests this "swap" was done a very long time ago. Why the swap? One can only speculate.
 
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