Retalliation after HD event?

[surfinguru]

Hello everyone, I've been reading many of the SD/HD threads asking when/if/how many etc. when encountering a BG in the home and I'm wondering:

For those of you that have had these events happen at your residence, have you had any retribution/retaliation either from the offending BG, or maybe their "affiliates" for drawing on them?



Edit: Mods, thanks for moving the thread, wasn't 100% sure where it should go.

 

[ZeSpectre]

Although I haven't had something like this happen to me personally, I have had contact with others who have. Results varied from one person who finally decided to move after constant low-level harassment (air out of tires, torn screens, scratches on the cars, on and on), all the way to someone who spent about $5,000 on surveillance equipment and wound up breaking the group that was trying to get revenge on him (Lord it was AMAZING how much evidence he was able to gather).

Of course plenty of times the threatened "revenge" is also so much hot air but you still need to be prepared.

 

[Deanimator]

Here in the Cleveland area, a guy shot a little moron [on probation for armed robbery] who tried to rob him at gunpoint on his front lawn. The moron's mutant family and "friends" were horrified to find the community united in support of the intended victim.

The dead moron's "posse" vandalized the home that the victim was renting. The response was a volunteer guard detail made up by BOTH off-duty Cleveland cops AND members of the local NAACP. I think it was a turning point in the Cleveland area. Pretty much every normal person interviewed had the reaction, "Don't commit armed robberies. It's dangerous and you could get shot." That appeared to take the criminal element entirely by surprise.

 

[Treo]

This is from a thread I posted in Feb.

Another point that was brought up in the training was that " In the gang world , no challenge goes unanswered" . This point was illistrated W/ an incident that happened locally. Its been the subject of a few threads. What happened is a home invasion was met W/ force here in Co Springs & failed. I THINK one invader died & the other was wounded. The wounded one got out of the hospital & went STRAIGHT back to the home & did a drive by, for which he is now in jail. The home owner has VANISHED. & it isn't publically known if he has run, been placed in protective custody or killed by gangmembers.

 

[j-easy]

this is where you get an AR if you don't already have one, some kind of ballistic vest, and if they come back with friends you will be prepared.

 

[ceetee]

A guy near where I am had a run-in with some Hispanic gang members, shooting two out of three, and killing the last one. It made all the papers, as the shooting was questionable - the shooter was arrested and tried. While he was incarcerated, the rest of the "gang" burned his house and garage to the ground. He lost just about all of his material possessions.

Eventually, he was acquitted. Don't know what happened after that.

 

[CWL]

this is where you get an AR if you don't already have one, some kind of ballistic vest, and if they come back with friends you will be prepared.

Aside from "chest thumping", there are real issues that need to be discussed here.

People need to work, shop, leave home for many reasons.

People have family, parents, wives, husbands, children and friends who are also around and whose safety also need to be considered.

 

[surfinguru]

Sigh....sad indeed. We live in the Monterey Bay CA area and a have a fairly significant gang population in the overall geography. (Salinas, Watsonville, etc.) Our neighborhood has been pretty darn trouble free for a very long time, but so far this summer, there's been two armed robberies (small Mom & Pop liquor stores) and three stabbings within a 3 or so mile radius of the house - not to mention the upswing in "taggings" around the neighborhood. It makes me sad, yet even more determined to protect my family.

I've been on the "get a gun for HD" philosophy for a little while now due to the above and overall economical downturn in the country. (Times get tough, crime generally rises.) Anyway, there are so many variables to weigh ranging from moral to legal to my original question. Could I really shoot somebody? If my life, my wife or son's life were in serious harms way? Yes, most certainly. Would I shoot someone over my possessions? Probably not, etc.

It's a tough world to live in now days. I'd hate to think that if I did have to fire on someone who's broken into my house and they turn out to be some POS gangbanger, that I've further put me and my family's well being in jeopardy due the very good likelihood of retaliation - something that unfortunately doesn't get discussed in too great of detail in many of the other "have you fired" threads.

 

[CWL]

surfinguru,

I'm one of those rare "native Californians", used to love Monterrey, didn't know it went downhill.

The best thing you can do is survive the moment and worry about repercussions later if it is a true SD/HD situation. If you get caught-up in worrying about tomorrow, you may hesitate and lose what you most care about right now.

After a HD incident, you always have the option to take your family and move somewhere else. If you hesitate, you may not even have that option.

If you are contemplating a first gun and only for HD, you should seriously look into a plain-jane 12ga shotgun like a Remington or Mossberg. Easier weapon to learn to use compared to pistols.

 

[surfinguru]

I'm one of those rare "native Californians", used to love Monterrey, didn't know it went downhill.

Well, I wouldn't say all of Monterey has gone downhill, there's just more visibility of the "less than desirable" element now days.

The best thing you can do is survive the moment and worry about repercussions later if it is a true SD/HD situation. If you get caught-up in worrying about tomorrow, you may hesitate and lose what you most care about in the present.

Totally agree!

After a HD incident, you always have the option to take your family and move somewhere else. If you hesitate, you may not even have that option.

Again, no disagreements there!

If you are contemplating a first gun and only for HD, you should seriously look into a plain-jane 12ga shotgun like a Remington or Mossberg. Easier weapon to learn to use compared to pistols.

I can shoot, just never owned my own gun. With a good pistol, I can keep a pretty decent grouping. (4-5" at 7yrds) A shotgun is definitely a good call, but with a very small, single story beach house in addition to a 7yo in the house, getting to one would take too long IMO. That's my reasoning behind going with a handgun.

 

[Kingcreek]

Every situation is probably different but I'll report mine here.
The 2 perps could have played the lead roles in "Dumb and Dumber".
The judge was an old kickass marine who wasn't the least bit concerned that I had a gun while on my own property. The high point of the trial was when I was on the stand, the attorney for the defendants tried to portray me as reckless and dangerous. It got a little humorous when he ranted and waved his arms and asked me how I could be so sure I KNEW what was safe or dangerous. I was able to answer that I had fired thousands of rounds on ranges on military bases and in sanctioned match competition, and that I was an experienced range safety officer. The judge grinned big at my response and the defense was smart enough not to pursue that line any further.
The judge warned them in very strong terms NOT to have any contact with the homeowner (me), not to drive down my road for any reason, etc and etc. and that if they did and the homeowner didn't shoot them first, the court would deal harshly with them.
I saw one of the perps at an 8th grade promotion ceremony a couple years after. He glared at me but nothing else. The other was violating probation at the time of my incident and his arrest and I've never seen or heard anything more from him.
edited to clarify: The perps were not armed with firearms, one had a tire-iron but did not threaten me with it. I did not shoot. I surprised them on my property while I was legally armed and suggested they leave. They were arrested less than a mile from my house on a rural road.

 

[brighamr]

Heres the way I see it:

If your surrounded by a large gang, and gangbangers attack your house you have two options:
1) defend yourself and flee ASAP
2) defend yourself and stay

Option #1 is easier, and will make it most likely that there are no retaliations.

Option #2 is much harder, and will make it easier for retaliations. However, if you know\trust your neighbors and you're willing to invest in some proper surveillance equipment\window bars\etc. Option #2 WILL make a difference in your neighborhood. It's just more risky than leaving.

In all honesty, if you're seriously worried about a home invasion, read all the threads on here about fortifying your home. That would be my first step.

 

[buck00]

For those of you that have had these events happen at your residence, have you had any retribution/retaliation either from the offending BG, or maybe their "affiliates" for drawing on them?

I would argue this is much more common in the inner city or gang-infested areas. The punks would see the successful home defense as a "diss" to their street cred.

In a normal neighborhood (suburbs outside gang areas) I would say this is much less likely unless the original home invasion was a personal thing.

Sure, there could be a situation where the perp's buddies drive out to the rural or suburban area to get "payback" but their risks go up in doing so. Plus their comfort level goes down (not every gang member is an expert about google maps). A carload of gang bangers in the city (where they are comfortable) are going to be loud/proud and confident. * Have that same carload attempt to drive up a dirt road at 2 am to get "payback" on a rural THR member, and regardless if they know it or not they could be walking into a buzz saw.

 

[Zoogster]

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[Picard]

That's a scary story. Good thing you broke a bad law and survived because of it.

 

[Zoogster]

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[gripper]

Zoogster , I am glad you are OK. Stay well!

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

Possible retaliation is a great reason to have a replacement for your defense gun. If you have to use it, it is going to be taken away from you until, at a minimum, the case is investigated and cleared - and it might take years if you have to wait until your case is adjudicated. This is a very bad time to be unarmed.

 

[surfinguru]

zoog, I'm sorry I missed your posts. (I was providing moral support for my wife today for an outpatient procedure.)

Anyway, without knowing the story, all I can say is I'm glad you (and yours?) are still here.

 

[Old Guy]

Police take gun?

The Police do not seem to do that in Florida, self defense, Castle Doctrine kind of thing.

 

[dmftoy1]

I don't know for sure, but I suspect here in Illinois they'd take every gun in the house with them "until it was investigated". (just seems to be the mentality)

 

[joop]

Seriously, I hate all these gangstas and gangsta wannabes. Can't we just declare them as terrorists already? Why can't we have the military get rid of all the stupid crips, bloods, whatever you want to call them. The ones who were born here have no excuse to engage in such behavior except their own ignorance. As for all the immigrants who bring their violence with them, I say just deport them. And let's get that fence built asap. They need to learn to fix their own darn country instead of running away and ruining ours.

 

[Killermonkey21]

Joop. You need to realize that you are on the High Road at the moment.

Placing sweeping blame on immigrants or any other stereotype is not acceptable here. High Roaders, for the most part, are here to promote better understanding/promotion of RKBA and other legal/moral uses of firearms.

 

[joop]

killermonkey:
I make a HUGE distinction between legal, law-abiding immigrants and illegal (or not) immigrants who do not respect the US law and other people in general.

To clarify my above post, it should be read as:
"illegal immigrants who bring violence"
NOT "immigrants, who bring violence"

There was a thread on THR which talks about a real life event that occurred involving said illegal border-crossers.

 

[roger505]

Cover your self, they do think this way. Armor your doors and windows as most are really flimsy. There are books and on line instructions on this very thing. Have two guns, just alike, as the cops will take it [they need it for evidence]. They may also search your house and seize any other weapons, this will depend on jurisdiction, so hide the second one well. Be certain to have it where it can be had at any time, you don't want to waite for the bank to open. Now is not the time to unarmed! The first 48 hrs is the most dangerous. There are books on the subject, some by Ayoob comes to mind, get one.