Ruger Single Six: After ACCURATE REVOLVER SUGGESTIONS?

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I bought a new single six, Ruger stainless.

Looks pretty good, shoots like :cuss:

Cylinder is .226" throats. I've heard, if I send it back to Ruger, they will tell me it fits their parameters, and, I'm out 160 bucks for shipping.

I got this email from them:

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Thank you for using the Ruger On-Line Customer Support Request Form.

This e-mail is in response to your question or comment of 11/29/2011
Request No: 115586

Comment / question:

Hi
I bought a new stainless steel ruger Single Six recently. I took it to JRH Advanced Gunsmithing to be checked prior
to shooting.

JRH examined the gun, and found the cylinder throats are at .226" He shot the gun, and suggests the only fix is a new cylinder, with tighter throats, say .221-.223" at the outside.

I was wondering if you would replace the cylinder with one with tighter throats?

Thank you

Sincerely
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My FA 83, long gone, had the following specs:
model 83 22 (252): 22 match cylinder throat .2225 - .2235
Barrel:
.2215 - .2222 grove

My Single six barrel was on the small side of .223 grove."

I asked them to just accept the cylinder shipping, but, they said no.

Another company has CNC cylinders at .224" for about 120 bucks:
http://www.brcrifles.com/manufacture.htm
And, it's an 8 shot.

I might buy one and fit it, and then decide if I need to replace the barrel.

option 2 is sell the stupid, out of spec gun, even though it's very cute,
and buy something else, though, at this point, I don't know of anything else in a 22lr that's worth :cuss::fire:.

Suggestions?

Ideas?
Deaf Smith?
 
S&W K17, or 617.

I like my Single Six, but I don't expect match grade accuracy from it. It's got fixed sights, and shoots accurately enough to entertain me and my kids. If I was after match accuracy, I'm afraid it would take some time and money.
 
Well first of all, remember the barrel is made to .22 WRM specifications, so the revolver is really a .22 Magnum with a .22 LR option, not the other way around.

At this point the question is, exactly what kind of accuracy do you want, and how much are you willing to spend to get it?

If I liked the gun well enough to put some money into it, I would have the chambers bored out and lined, and have the liners chambered to correct .22 RF specs. The necessary piloted drill could be obtained from www.brownells.com/

Then I'd have to decide if I wanted to go all the way and have it rebarreled with a true .22LR barrel. Clearly, at this point we're getting into money.

If all of this is too much I'd sell or trade the Ruger to get a true .22 revolver, instead of a .22 WRM.
 
And then, what do you buy that is accurate?

Colt Trooper that I can't find? Another FA 83 252?

P
 
"And then, what do you buy that is accurate?"

Well, if it's strictly SA you want (and virtually guaranteed out-of-box match grade accuracy), yeah, buy another FA

but in DA/SA any of the S&W old classic K-22s are a real good bet
"True NIB" being mighty rare, but the old ones, even used, are a still a good bet
Suggest you look around for a 6" k-17 with target trigger and target hammer
Won't look like a Jr version of those super nice big bore SAs you shoot, but ain't nothing wrong with the trigger.

Not a lot of feedback out there on the New Classic S&W guns, but probably not a bad bet either. A lot of folks real well pleased with 617s as well.

Ruger Single Sixes are amongst the nicest plinker class revolvers around, but nobody ever said they were match grade, not even if somebody does get extra lucky on the luck of the draw once in a while. Paco's Accurizer was a pretty good suggestion, in lieu of, though.

good luck
(if you don't decide to dump a lot of money into the RSS 8 shooter, sell it quick. They be the new kid on the block, ought to be easy to sell before they become ever more commonplace on the gun shelves)
 
Problem here is between Obama and the Kali DOJ list, the number of options are not like other states. Finding used guns as you describe are difficult.

The new options I see are:

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

Take a look for .22lr. Isn't much.

P
 
Decisions

Wasn't your FA superbly accurate but you didn't like the longer barrel (or some such) and didn't want FA to cut it back?

Did I miss where you said how accurate/inaccurate this new SS is? Or did you just rush it over to Huntington brand new and decided you don't like the #s on the cylinder? Can't he make you a new cylinder to your specs?

Can't Bowen or Turnbull (or *insert other smith here*) make a new cylinder for you? You can borescope the barrel ahead of time to see if there are horrid flaws in it before you drop the cash, or just have it re-barreled while it's there.

The little die that smooshes the bullet a bit is cheap iirc, have you tried that? I've heard it can work wonders... I only have experience with a similar device for airgun pellets but it worked well. I'm assuming you're already using hyper-quality target ammo.

Buy 2 more SS's and keep the one that shoots the best?
 
Nullcone:
Most of your questions have already been answered in this thread.
 
Nullcone:
Most of your questions have already been answered in this thread.
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Really? I only see one that I can answer by re-reading your posts in this thread:

I took it to JRH Advanced Gunsmithing to be checked prior
to shooting.
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In the absence of a statement that you have fired it since, this implies you haven't.

If you have, what are your group sizes? Hand-held or mechanical rest? With how many brands/types of ammo?

Ruger doesn't advertise SS's as match target arms or guarantee accuracy, although they will take a look at things if you send it back to the factory. Obviously you know this from comments you made, but you may want to give it more serious consideration. They'll test fire the gun, and if its giving horrible accuracy they'll look into it.

$160 for overnight shipping a small package? Where on earth are you shipping from?

You once purchased a FA, are you willing to spend the money to bring this SS up to FA/semi-custom standards?

Given the variation inherent in mass produced goods (and depending on what kind of price you can get new firearms for) my suggestion to keep buying and selling them 'til you find one that shoots accurately enough for you wasn't entirely flippant.

By the way, what was Ruger's response to your email? I don't see one, only your comments/question.

Have you tried the Accurizer die?
 
Sorry:
This thread was preceded by another, and addressed some of those issues.
IIRC, Post Office will not accept firearms. Fedex and UPS want about 80 dollars, each way, the gun declared, and shipped their top shipping class to prevent their employees from stealing them.

I needed work done on another gun, and the Ruger has been sitting around awhile. I had intended to have it checked before firing, to find out if it was close enough to be worth shooting. Sort of along the same lines you suggest of shooting a bunch of guns till you get one that is accurate.
I figured if it wasn't shot, then it's still new, and doesn't take the 'used' hit.

Ruger's response is to ask me to ship the gun to them. I wanted to ship only the cylinder, since the cost for shipping that is minimal, since it's not a gun.

I have one of Paco's accurizers that sizes to .223 and .224.
Throats at .226 create a real problem. The barrel is under .223, and looks pretty good, so far. Sizing to .226 would, at least insure somewhat of a consistent exit position from the cylinder, however, I do kind of wonder about taking that through the forcing cone, and barrel, at .222.5"?

The bottom line is how much is it going to cost to get the gun to shoot as well as I can, which is a much lower standard. A drop in 8 shot, tighter cylinder is out there for nearly the cost of shipping the gun back to Ruger, that is .224" that's Story's, and no one seems to have used them, or have any experience.

Will that be enough? Others think a match grade barrel is a must, so then I'm in the 1000 dollar range, and now the S&W guns are starting to look affordable.

How much I'm willing to put into the gun is a very good question. I don't really want to end up with a 1500-2000 dollar Ruger.

That said, if the cylinder increases the accuracy considerably, that might be good enough for me, and, at the right price.
 
The 17-9 Masterpiece 6" is on that list, as is the 617 in 4" and 6".

Yeah, they're probably expensive, but it sounds like you're going to spend some money on that Ruger anyway.
 
Prosser said:
Ruger's response is to ask me to ship the gun to them. I wanted to ship only the cylinder, since the cost for shipping that is minimal, since it's not a gun.
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Even if you did only send the cylinder, if they find it out of spec they would need the gun to fit a new cylinder anyway.

Dan
 
When there is a question concerning a material or workmanship defect, Ruger will usually provide you with a pre-paid shipping label so you can send the gun in at no cost to you, and they will return it directly to you on their dime. In this case they might replace either the cylinder or barrel, or both at "no charge."

I would call customer service again, point out that you purachased the gun new, and ask about a shipping label.
 
either send it back to ruger (they will likely pick it up and return it on their dime, it had been explained why they need the whole gun), or sell it. seems as though you have your options laid out for you, you just need to make the call.
 
i would ask around at different gun shops and see if they will ship it for you. i had to send my sp101 back to ruger for repairs and i went through a gun shop rather than the standard mail. cost me +/- $30 and ruger covered the return shipping.
 
I have the solution to your problem. Possibly.

Send a note to Paco Kelly. He's the manufacturer of the Paco Acu'rizer tool. I have a stainless Ruger Single-Six which launches .22LR very well, but because of the larger bore size, it's not going to give me stellar accuracy. Kelly's Acu'rizer tool not only gives you first rate hollowpoints, it expands the bullets to .224 and .225 if Kelly builds the tool to do so.

The hollowpoints consist of dish nose, nastinose and the baby scorpion. Check out this article and this article. Oh, and this article.

Other, similar, tools also are available, such as DRock's tool. I have experience with Kelly's tool and can recommend it. By tapping a die into hole with a .22LR cartridge in the other end, it can increase the size of the bullet's diameter. Check it out.
 
I still fail to see how you can fault the accuracy of a gun that you have not even shot yet. It's not like you can claim that it isn't or won't be accurate until you actually shoot the darn thing.

At .226 I suspect you're going to find that this is the typical chamber bore for any .22 revolver. None of my .22 revolvers from 3 different makers, Ruger, S&W and H&R, uses a stepped chamber. They are all bored straight through at a size which readily accepts the loaded casings. And since a quick sampling of some various .22LR ammo shows case diameters of from .224 to .225 I'd say that .226 is pretty much an ideal fit to allow easy loading and extraction yet not be so loose that you suffer from gas blowback to any significant extent. So it sounds like the chambers are actually perfectly sized. So there's little or nothing to be gained here and obviously no point in sending the gun back.

The steps you'd need to follow to actually gain any improvement in accuracy were well detailed in the last thread. Frankly, since you really don't know yet just how well the gun shoots the whole point of this thread seems a bit moot.

That and the simple fact that from where I'm sitting having checked my own Ruger SS as well as my K17 I'm not seeing anything at all amiss with the .226 chamber dimension for the whole length. So there's nothing that is actually "wrong" with your gun as it sits.
 
It is silly beyond words to even begin this conversation without having first shot the damn thing. And I mean a lot. Slightly oversized mouths are not a guarantee of poor accuracy. I've got a New Frontier .45Colt that will pile .452" cast bullets into an inch at 25yds with several different loads, despite its generous .457" mouths. Shoot the damn thing!

You can't expect Ruger to ship a cylinder without fitting it to the sixgun in question, that's almost as silly as not shooting it before delving into this.


I would have the chambers bored out and lined, and have the liners chambered to correct .22 RF specs.
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And I will challenge you ONE MORE TIME to offer up a gunsmith who will line chambers. Better yet, Gregg can ask Jack about lining chambers and we'll get it straight from the horse's mouth, since you seem to think I'm clueless as to how custom sixguns are built. :rolleyes:
 
I had Jack shoot the gun, since he's got a place to do it, and, he's a WAY better shot then I am. I'm only useful for testing heavy caliber guns no one else wants to shoot.;) and even then, it helps if it's a sandpile at 20 feet.

Freedom Arms cuts the throats to .2225- .2235".

The barrel on my gun is on the low side of .223" Which is pretty good.

As far as fitting a cylinder: what's the rocket science involved? Couple different folks make drop in cylinders for the Ruger Single Six. What sort of magic is ruger going to do, that they should have done already:scrutiny:
 
Barrel/cylinder gap.
Timing checks.
Headspace.
Barrel/cylinder alignment.

If Joe Schmoe drops a cylinder in his gun in his garage, and it blows up on him, Ruger isn't liable.

If Ruger sends you a cylinder without seeing your gun, and says 'Here this will work.' and for some reason there's a failure, they're liable. By you sending in your gun, they can ensure that everything is within specifications and tolerances, as well as test fire it, before they send it back to you.

P.S. Speaking of 'test firing' you might want to get out and try some of that before whining about throat dimensions. Lots of it. With different ammo. You're not going to be able to sell a gun you bought as 'brand new' - no such thing. It's been owned before.

Shoot. Enjoy. Have fun. Ventilate tin cans with tiny little bullets.
 
So how does it shoot???

No rocket science involved, Ruger just ain't gonna sell you a cylinder without fitting it to the gun. It's not like you're likely to get one any better than the one you got anyway. You can't do anything about it either so there's not much reason to complain about it.
 
I should say talk to Jack, since I don't use that kind of language.;)

Tin can accurate is about what he said.

One of the questions was if Story's cylinders have been used by anyone, and, if they make a big difference? They are cut near the specs FA uses, on the high side: .224". Plus it's an 8 shot. Supposed to be a drop in.
 
According to ANSI/SAAMI Z299.1 - 1992:

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Not sure I see a problem.

Da
 
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