S&W M&P's rust easily?

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working at a range, owning several, and shooting competition and training classes.... i have NEVER seen one rust.

JOe
 
How did you guys survive when guns only had bluing on them?

I've lived in West Virginia for the last 8 years. This state is the most unbearable humid and wet place every. My deck and porch have mold on them all the time, the ground is mud about 60% of the summer and 100% of the fall, winter, and spring. It rains most of the winter. My guns are all in my basement next to my washer and dryer and they don't rust. A couple of the rifles sit in my garage taking all the extremes of the weather and don't rust. My carry gun doesn't rust and my P32 I took hiking in the woods INCLUDING dips in the creek with it in my pocket didn't rust. Good Lord, do a little maintenance.

If you are one of the rare few whose M&P rusts because you can't manage to maintain it Smith is even nice enough to replace it for you free of charge. That seems beyond generous to me.
I think you're oversimplifying things a bit Jon, in fact you do understand that many of these rusting pistols were that way from the box, don't you? Make it kind of hard for the lazy, whining, ingrates that purchase them to prevent the oxidation when it's already at work on the steel....

A thing that has always intrigued me is why S&W would even waste their time with the melonite in the first place, after all it's stainless steel, if it's a tactical issue(which I doubt)they could just blacken the stainless and be done with it, of course forcing those same lazy, whining buyers to do as you have instructed....
 
In his earlier post, DenaliPark brought up what I have read to be true (however I can't speak for the theories he brought up). Basically nitriding is a hardening process that also makes carbon steel extremely rust-resistant on the surface and a few microns below. But this benefit is not seen on stainless and in fact can make it more prone to corrosion. I cannot understand why anyone or any company would want to nitride stainless steel unless they just don't know and or hope that the prestige of meloniting will help sell their products.
 
Go Glock. Glocks are more accurate, reliable, durable and PROVEN. The only thing that should rust on a S&W M&P is the stamped "Warning, read owners manual before shooting and consult attorney" that permanently insults one on the side of the pistol.:fire:
 
zero problems out of my 9c rusting....of course it's a few months shy or 2 years old.
 
Glocks are more accurate, reliable, durable and PROVEN.

Funny.

They are more proven but time will show the M&P to be as proven. The M&P is definitely more accurate than the Glock, IMO. It may just be me but I sold my Glock when I put 500 rounds thru my M&P because I could place a mag of shots from the M&P inside the mag of shots from the Glock. I had the Glock 2 years longer than the M&P and had 10x the amount of target shots with it.
 
REAPER4296969 said:
I got the M&P back today (13 days) and they replaced:

1)Slide.

2)Extractor.

3)Mag catch.

and...wait for it...


ADDED NIGHT SIGHTS! It also feels like they did something to the trigger! Very nice.

Wow, 13 days is great turn around time. Did they put the night sights on for free? If so I'm gonna have to find out how to make mine rust! ;)
 
That is some great CS. They've sent me quite a few free grip extensions. Some companies should really start to emulate *cough*chough...Taurus.
 
jon_in_wv,

I've got to agree with you son! I've got several firearms dwnstrs in a vault, no rust whatsoever on any of them, well one old H&R .22 revolver that's probably 60 years old, but the other 14, not a speck of rust. Sometimes in my weekly time off, I'm retired, and not much to do, I'll go down and clean a rifle I haven't shot in awhile, wipe it down and put it back in the vault. I'll remember another one a couple of days later, .... what I'm saying is, as you did, take care of them and they'll be ready for anything you throw at them. From the sounds of some of these other folks, Hoppe's bore cleaner and any type of Break Free, or whatever never touches their arms, inside or out. Maybe that's why they like the Tupperware guns, like the old Fanner '50 from many, many years ago.
 
Go Glock. Glocks are more accurate, reliable, durable and PROVEN.

Yummy, yummy Kool-Aid.

No bobby68, it only includes the M&P autos because revolvers don't compete with the Glock. If they did they would find reasons to whine about them too.


I think you're oversimplifying things a bit Jon, in fact you do understand that many of these rusting pistols were that way from the box, don't you?

Thats right. Guys are going to the gun store and picking out the gun that has the rust spots on it or they are buying the gun they haven't seen and handled. Then coincidentally, that happens to be the ones that have the rusting problems. Your right, its not that simple at all. How about if you are buying an M&P, check it for rust and if you find the one in a million pistol that has a problem, don't buy it. That sounds simple enough to me. Simply put, only a very small number of M&Ps have had any problems with ANYTHING. The vast majority have been and are totally reliable and rust free. Some people seem to have an agenda to try to prove otherwise, but I simply don't listen to them because I know better.

BTW. Don't tell anyone but there are a few Glocks that rust too. Its a secret so shhhhhh.....

http://gunlovers.19.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1837
 
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Yummy, yummy Kool-Aid.

No bobby68, it only includes the M&P autos because revolvers don't compete with the Glock. If they did they would find reasons to whine about them too.




Thats right. Guys are going to the gun store and picking out the gun that has the rust spots on it or they are buying the gun they haven't seen and handled. Then coincidentally, that happens to be the ones that have the rusting problems. Your right, its not that simple at all. How about if you are buying an M&P, check it for rust and if you find the one in a million pistol that has a problem, don't buy it. That sounds simple enough to me. Simply put, only a very small number of M&Ps have had any problems with ANYTHING. The vast majority have been and are totally reliable and rust free. Some people seem to have an agenda to try to prove otherwise, but I simply don't listen to them because I know better.

BTW. Don't tell anyone but there are a few Glocks that rust too. Its a secret so shhhhhh.....

http://gunlovers.19.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1837
I did just that, bought an M&P 9c at the shop, looked it over beforehand, got it home and immediately found the oxidation I had missed at the shop! The blackened slide makes it a thing you can miss under the wrong lighting conditions Jon....Never said that Glock doesn't slip a lemon buy once in a while, it can happen to the best of them, and it does....It's just that if you're looking to compare the M&P with Glock(and all S&W fans going all the way back to the Sigma do)you're going to find a significantly higher percentage of flaws in the S&W's.....
 
Well my experience, and the experience of many thousands of others, has been the opposite. Dang your luck.
 
It's just that if you're looking to compare the M&P with Glock(and all S&W fans going all the way back to the Sigma do)you're going to find a significantly higher percentage of flaws in the S&W's.....

While I certainly respect your right to have an opinion, as an owner and armorer for both the Glock and M&P pistols I'd be more than a little reluctant to make that definitive of a statement.
 
Personally I believe the design and performance of both the Glock and M&P are so similar it is disingenuous to beat your chest claiming one is better than the other. It boils down to personal preference and you can't tell people they have to prefer the same thing you do. M&Ps have had a few issues. So have the Glocks. You can't judge the entire line on the occasional lemon that slips through the cracks.

What if the title of this thread was, "Do Glocks blow up easily?" You would have had the same types of conversation you have here. There would be a few bashers backing up the statement claiming its the gods honest truth for the whole series. Take it all for what its worth.
 
While I certainly respect your right to have an opinion, as an owner and armorer for both the Glock and M&P pistols I'd be more than a little reluctant to make that definitive of a statement.
Applying melonite to the stainless steel is obviously problematic for S&W, and the vendor in charge of the acid bath treatment...I have seen a half dozen rusting M&P's with my own eye's! While I have heard of it, I've never seen a rusting Glock, ever!

Further, the accounts of rusting M&P slides seems to have remained static, with S&W quietly replacing them as they turn up, there's another current thread in this very forum addressing the superiority of S&W CS relating to this exact problem....
 
Personally I believe the design and performance of both the Glock and M&P are so similar it is disingenuous to beat your chest claiming one is better than the other. It boils down to personal preference and you can't tell people they have to prefer the same thing you do. M&Ps have had a few issues. So have the Glocks. You can't judge the entire line on the occasional lemon that slips through the cracks.

What if the title of this thread was, "Do Glocks blow up easily?" You would have had the same types of conversation you have here. There would be a few bashers backing up the statement claiming its the gods honest truth for the whole series. Take it all for what its worth.
Too bad, but it's not about exploding Glock's, it's about the ongoing problem of rusting S&W M&P pistols...Which you have ridiculously attempted to pawn off as consumer neglect.....
 
If you bothered to read my earlier posts, which you haven't because you have your own agenda, I and others clearly stated that S&W has had issues with the melonite application on some of their pistols. They have been very open about it and have serviced those pistols without issue. If yours was one of those be a big boy and send it back to Smith.

Welcome to my ignore list, BTW.
 
Applying melonite to the stainless steel is obviously problematic for S&W, and the vendor in charge of the acid bath treatment...I have seen a half dozen rusting M&P's with my own eye's! While I have heard of it, I've never seen a rusting Glock, ever!

Further, the accounts of rusting M&P slides seems to have remained static, with S&W quietly replacing them as they turn up, there's another current thread in this very forum addressing the superiority of S&W CS relating to this exact problem....


According to the comments I've heard from S&W folks, and read posted by a former S&W engineer, S&W was aware of the difficulties involved in applying the Melonite QP process (as opposed to the QPQ which is appropriate to carbon steel alloys, but not stainless alloys) back when it was selected for some of the earlier Sigma, 3rd gen runs they made in Melonite (5906 Militar, 4566's, etc), the SW99 and some SW1911's. It's not like they haven't gained some experience. I don't know who their current vendor for the Melonite process might be.

Personally, I don't understand why they don't use either carbon steel, use another dark metal finish/treatment (PVD) or just offer some models in plain stainless. The M&P 9 & M&P 40 VTAC models, with a brown PVD coated slide, look pretty decent (even better than the brown Melonite, maybe). Granted, Melonite QP does offer some decreased friction and enhanced surface hardness.

They don't ask for my opinions, though, so they'll do as they decide is best for their market share and increasing sales.

In the meantime, I have little doubt but that they'll continue to stand behind their M&P's should a batch of slides somehow end up suffering oxidation.

I've seen some oxidized Glocks, BTW. ;) It can happen, especially if someone doesn't maintain their guns in a reasonable manner. While the nitrocarburizing process does offer some enhanced corrosion resistance, especially when carbon steel is involved, owner/user neglect can still create the potential for such issues as rust and fouling accumulation.
 
^^^I agree as to S&W and the use of stainless steel in the melonite process, I think there is obviously a window of benefit, however it's narrow, and if missed creates a problem where there really wasn't one when they first decided to go with stainless...

I don't agree that Glock's are as subject to neglect as is any other sidearm, I have heard of them rusting, I saw a photo of one that apparently came out of a gun safe totally corroded...However this I attribute to a flaw in the acid bath process, and it remains highly unusual, for a properly tenifer/melonite treated carbon steel slide to oxidate...The early Sigma's were treated in this fashion, but they were carbon steel, they didn't rust!
 
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