S/W MP question

[1Longbow]

I have a full size M/P (9mm) ,and I've noticed after market parts in the Dillion catalog ,for sears ,trigger springs ,etc. Has anyone replaced the original parts with these and has it made a noticeable difference in the way the gun shoots?
Thank you

 

[moxie]

Is there something wrong with your gun, or something you don't like?

What do you mean by "difference in the way the gun shoots"?

Can't help until you refine your question.

 

[Hangingrock]

I had a Apex Duty/Carry kit installed on a MP9. Yes it made a difference for the better. When I acquired a MP9c I had the Apex kit also installed on it. There is no hesitation on my part recommending Apex Duty/Carry kit to others.

 

[mgmorden]

I've got an M&P 9L and installed the Competition Action Enhancement Kit (CAEK) and the Reset Assist Mechanism (RAM), both from Apex.

They included repacement springs, sear, striker block, and the RAM is it's own critter that increases the authority with which the trigger resets.

They have unquestionably improved the gun's trigger for the better. I use mine for competition so the trigger is really light, so if I was using it as a carry gun I'd probably look at the Duty version of the kit for a slightly heavier trigger pull, but personally I wouldn't run an M&P without the Apex parts. It's not that they're not good guns without the Apex parts - its just that they're so much better with them.

 

[1Longbow]

Thanks for the answers . There is nothing wrong with the gun as is ,just looking to make it a better gun ,ie trigger pull etc. such as the other replys have stated

 

[moxie]

Ah, so you want to improve trigger pull. Apex trigger kits are very popular.

 

[rsrocket1]

The stock parts on the M&P are "good enough" for "combat" type shooting and for reliability, but a lot of shooters want to make it feel better when shooting or make it more accurate with their shooting style (me included). Smith & Wesson has made little improvements that have gotten rid of a lot of earlier complaints like gritty trigger (slightly smoother striker block, trigger bar and machining of slide where the striker block rides), slide lock snapping off and lack of "felt reset" (new style slide lock), "sear flutter" and dead trigger (new sear block and spring) and 9mm accuracy (redesigned 9mm barrel). Not all earlier models had these problems and not all needed fixes, but companies like Apex capitalized on these little things to fix and improve the small deficiencies to an otherwise great gun.

For instance, the Ultimate Striker Block (USB) has a rounded dome for the trigger bar engagement rather than a multi-step dome. This gets rid of the "grittiness" of the trigger pull. Their hard sear has slightly changed angles to reduce the trigger pull weight while their forward set sear (FSS) causes the trigger bar loop to engage the sear much earlier to reduce the take up of the trigger so that it breaks farther towards the front. In conjunction with the FSS trigger, the overtravel is reduced which helps eliminate the "jump" of the gun when the trigger breaks.

I think one of the biggest cause of inaccuracy for me prior to doing the Apex FSS kit upgrade was that I was not pulling the trigger perfectly straight back when shooting the gun. My other handguns were an SA 1911 and a revolver. Those guns broke with no pre-travel and no overtravel and were all metal with zero wiggle in the trigger. The M&P has quite a bit of sideways slack in the trigger and pulling the trigger straight back is important for accuracy.

So can you use the M&P with full satisfaction right out of the box for a long time? Yes, I did for over three years. Can you make it better without spending more for the upgrades than the gun (read 10/22)? Yes. Will a $40 part or $125 kit make it a little or a lot better? Some say no, but most say yes.

 

[urbaneruralite]

I looked at upgrading the trigger in my M&P9c, then I considered for the money I could just upgrade the whole gun to a gun like a Walther that already had those features.

 

[jamal28]

Have u guys ever thought of calling s&w and asking can they warranty your gun and upgrade the trigger to the current one.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Has anyone replaced the original parts with these and has it made a noticeable difference in the way the gun shoots?

Yup, I think the Apex kits are some of the better value improvements you can perform on the M&P...I'm still waiting for their barrel to come to market.

Installation of the kit shank my 7 yard groups from 3" (unacceptable) to < 1"...but more importantly, it allowed me to determine that it was shooting enough to the left to justify nudging the rear sight over slightly

 

[skoro]

Has anyone replaced the original parts

I've had my M&P9c for seven years now and haven't replaced a single thing. Probably over 1500 rounds through it, by rough estimation.

I understand there are plenty of aftermarket parts available and that some guys like to customize their pistols.

Mine has been just right for me and I have no reason to transplant the innards.

 

[mgmorden]

Have u guys ever thought of calling s&w and asking can they warranty your gun and upgrade the trigger to the current one.

No. That would make about as much sense as calling up Ford and asking if they'd upgrade your 2006 Mustang to a 2015 model under "Warranty".

Warranties are for faults, not to cover upgrades.

..I'm still waiting for their barrel to come to market.

It may have already. That barrel was always supposedly a "joint venture" between Apex and Bar-sto. Apex basically quit talking about it eventually and now Bar-sto has gunsmith-fit M&P barrels available on their site.

G&R Tactical was doing fitted Storm Lake barrels as well but there was a waiting list . . . that I've been on for nearly 2 years now .

 

[Water-Man]

I'd suggest running a bunch of rounds through your gun before spending money on upgrades.

You may find that no extra money was necessary.

 

[9mmepiphany]

It may have already. That barrel was always supposedly a "joint venture" between Apex and Bar-sto. Apex basically quit talking about it eventually and now Bar-sto has gunsmith-fit M&P barrels available on their site.

I don't think they are "out" of it

They've been testing a barrel, in a M&P9L that previously was only able to place 3 out of 5 shots on an IDPA target at 50 yards, to grouping, with factory ammo, into 2-2.5"...and into less than 1" with a handload it likes

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[Hangingrock]

My perspective on S&W the Sigma, SW99 (joint venture between S&W and Walther), and the MP series. The MP series is the 3rd Polymer framed striker fired pistol that S&W brought forth in to the market place. There should not have been a need for Apex produced products to produce a satisfactory trigger press. The S&W OEM product should have been better.

 

[Water-Man]

My perspective on S&W the Sigma, SW99 (joint venture between S&W and Walther), and the MP series. The MP series is the 3rd Polymer framed striker fired pistol that S&W brought forth in to the market place. There should not have been a need for Apex produced products to produce a satisfactory trigger press. The S&W OEM product should have been better.

Just what is a satisfactory trigger press to you? Chances are your definition is different from others.

There wasn't a NEED for Apex products. Just a WANT.

 

[Hangingrock]

Water-Man:

There wasn't a NEED for Apex products. Just a WANT.

One could say with justification if there wasn't a need there would not have been a want.

We may simply have to agree to disagree. The MP9 I have had for an extended period time and shot it extensively. I was never impressed enough with the triggering sequence. With the Apex Duty/Carry kit the triggering sequence/actuation is a dramatic improvement over S&W-OEM. When I acquired a MP9c there was no hesitation on my part to have the Apex Duty/Carry kit installed.

I like continuity of purpose under KISS both the MP9 and MP9c are set up the same with magazine disconnect, 10-8 sights (front night sight and plain U-notch rear sight and the Apex Duty/Carry kit installed

 

[9mmepiphany]

I don't mind slight detours, but drifting a thread Off Track really isn't constructive.

If your post is missing, please take it as a constructive nudge to stay on subject

 

[Skribs]

My opinion on the M&P is that it is great on paper, but most of the controls are spongy, gritty rubbish. I put the Apex kit on and the trigger is amazing.

My primary non-pocket carry is my M&P 9C with the Apex kit. If I didn't have the Apex kit I would have sold it, the trigger was that bad.

 

[JohnnyBravo]

I have APEX parts in my Shield and my .45c.

Both guns have much improved triggers.