S&W Warranty (Unspoken policy)

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I know Ruger will honor warranty service, even with second owners -- even though that isn't the official policy. Does anyone know if Smith & Wesson does the same?

Smith has offered to pay for me to ship my M60 back to them to evaluate a chip or machining mark on the frame. But I'm the second owner. Anyone have experience with S&W informally extending warranty service to them as second owner?
 
I've had my 610 sent back multiple times for work and it's never cost me a dime. I know I'm not the first and probably not even the fourth owner of the gun.
 
S&W will make it right in my experience. They might take a couple tries and the degree of "right" varies, but their customer service is very good IME.
 
Ah. Deja vu all over again. The previous poster says he has had good experience with S&W cs. I have had poor service. Many have advised that they would keep and shoot the revolver in question as is. Some advised otherwise.

All hashed out in recent previous thread.

Ball is in your court.
 
All depends on the age of the gun. Guns made before 1989 are NOT covered under their lifetime warranty. My 66 needed repair and while they paid for the initial shipping back to them, I paid for the repair and return shipping.
 
Craftsman tool vendors no longer warranty items that our fathers got replaced for free. It requires a lot of profit margin and a big chunk of the market's sales to finance the largesse of fixing anything regardless of original purchase. Some do, some don't, owners change hands, and in some respects there is simply too many less than reputable claims which cause reconsideration of the entire policy at times.

Given the historical nature of all customer service, we are lucky to get what we get. The actual intent of having that department at all is that it's less expensive to repair a few firearms than make every single one absolutely perfect. If there are 10,000 in a series sold, and your potential return/customer reject rate is .01%, that's still a few hundred guns not satisfactory. Easier to have those disappointed fixed than spend a exponentially higher cost inspecting and rejecting them - it drives the overall cost of the gun up even more, a bad thing in a highly competitive environment.

Some smaller makers do exactly that - accept the higher scrap rate - and charge accordingly. If you are paying $1,100 for an all metal gun and expect absolute perfection, bounce that off the makers of that same type of firearm who charge $3,500. You get what you pay for - less defects, higher quality fit and finish - you don't get 3X more deadly a gun firing a bullet 3X faster holding 3X more ammo or 3X safer.

For every doubling of the guns price you get less than 50% improvement. To always get an absolutely perfect gun, no matter what, every single time - expect that to cost a lot more. $10,000?

In terms of production and quality, guns aren't much different that cars - we already know they do a better job on the line certain days compared to others, and certain cars can be either an absolute marvel straight off the line, or later found to have severe aerodynamic and handling issues - like the Audi TT.

So, up the price double and you have 50% less chance of defects - how expensive is that perfect Glock going to cost? I've heard of aftermarket builds with substitute parts - alloy frames, no MIM - costing over $2500. Which one is the real example of perfection?

I'm going to suggest that even bespoke firearms custom made to the exacting specifications of the most critical owner won't past muster after ten years. Which those owners prove by ordering more.

The whole thing in a nutshell is the customer has expectations and they may or may not reflect the reality of mass producing a firearm for commodity sales at the Low Price Guaranteed. Sometimes we just ask for too much. Hand fitted Winchester bolt guns for $150 aren't coming back.
 
The actual intent of having that department at all is that it's less expensive to repair a few firearms than make every single one absolutely perfect

Been proven wrong; look up Deming and what he did for Japan after WWII....................it's how they kicked our butts in electronics, autos, etc.
 
S&W warranty is great until they decide not to support a product anymore. Ask all of us with metal semi auto pistols of the Gen 1, 2, & 3 eras.
 
S&W warranty is great until they decide not to support a product anymore. Ask all of us with metal semi auto pistols of the Gen 1, 2, & 3 eras.
Add their S&E Elite Gold SxS with not only a lifetime warranty but also an heirloom warranty; paper isn't worth what it is printed on
 
Follow the money. No manufacturer will improve quality as long as it is cheaper to fix the duds. In the digital age, they should assign a cost to instant bad publicity.

I would be annoyed to have to return that $1000 gun for a fix. I would be aggravated to have to return that $3500 gun. But I would be incensed to have to return anything the second time.
 
I would be aggregated to learn that I have wait 2 1/2 months for a crummy estimate. Quite aggregated.
And that is exactly what I was told by S&W cs. Coincidentally , my issue also involves a model 60. If the OP wishes to send his 60 in , best of luck.

Ruger turnaround for 25 year old pistol , no questions about warranty , no service charge , 2 weeks.

S&W turnaround for model 60 - many months , as yet unknown. Cost? I don't know - haven't gotten the lousy estimate yet. Only been waiting a month and a half ; another month to go till estimated estimate time.

Smith & Wesson , where customer service is an oxymoron.
 
I would be aggregated to learn that I have wait 2 1/2 months for a crummy estimate. Quite aggregated.
And that is exactly what I was told by S&W cs. Coincidentally , my issue also involves a model 60. If the OP wishes to send his 60 in , best of luck.

Ruger turnaround for 25 year old pistol , no questions about warranty , no service charge , 2 weeks.

S&W turnaround for model 60 - many months , as yet unknown. Cost? I don't know - haven't gotten the lousy estimate yet. Only been waiting a month and a half ; another month to go till estimated estimate time.

Smith & Wesson , where customer service is an oxymoron.

Just because it's a long wait time doesn't mean it's bad customer service. That just means bad staff management,they need more people. If they make the gun right on their dime,they have good CS.

Happened last season at my job we were very understaffed and it was about a 4-5 week backup to get a peice of equipment in, repaired and back out. Doesn't mean we didn't take care of the customer, we simply didn't have the man power to do it at an adequate rate. This year it's the same quality of service, but a week or less turn around because we have 2 additional people.

Now if the extra wait time is coming from a influx of newer guns coming in needing work,they have other issues to take care of in production before they leave for retail, and hire more people to do the repairs. Have you think that every day there are more guns put out that fall under their lifetime warranty .But that's just my 2 cents.
 
Just because it's a long wait time doesn't mean it's bad customer service. That just means bad staff management,they need more people. If they make the gun right on their dime,they have good CS.

I disagree. Telling a customer he must wait 2 1/2 months for an estimate - (an estimate includes fees) - is not good customer service. When I asked how long the repair would take if I were to accept the estimate proposal , the rep said he did not know. Again , not good. Not good = bad. Bad staff management can be a factor in bad customer service; it is still bad customer service.

Now if the extra wait time is coming from a influx of newer guns coming in needing work,they have other issues...

I was told by service rep (would not want that job!) that S&W is swamped with warranty work , and warranty work comes first. More internal problems at the "Mothership".

OP - send in your 60 if you so choose. Again , best of luck.
 
I think MOST firearms manufacturers will repair almost any gun they've made under warranty regardless. Especially if it is something potentially dangerous. They don't want to risk the liability of not fixing something and being named in a later lawsuit. Cosmetic damage may not be considered under warranty.

Personally, the high costs of sending a gun back to a manufacturer, and the time involved leads me to just use a local gunsmith most of the time.
 
I figure every gun purchase is rolling the dice, and if warranty work is needed, there is never a consistent answer. One person says it's great, the next says it sucks.

S&W is fine in my experience.
 
Wait... is this the OP with the tiny chip in the frame under the forcing cone?

Ignore it, shoot it, enjoy it.

IMO
+1 this. If bough as a collector's piece, that's one thing.
But at the range it will be out of your view pointing down range. And if you do have to draw it in a SD situation, the guy on the other end isn't going to give two hoots about it. JMHO. :)
 
Wait... is this the OP with the tiny chip in the frame under the forcing cone?

Ignore it, shoot it, enjoy it.

IMO

That was my thinking. Then I got the email back from s&w suggesting I send it in. I'm not sure they could do anything, except remove more metal to smooth it out.
 

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maaaaaaaybe a forging/casting defect, looking at the folds/lines interior of the chip. They might replace the frame but I seriously doubt it. And IMO it has no impact on the durability or usefulness of the gun so just enjoy it. If the looks bug you, maybe smooth it out yourself.

But it's your call!
 
I have generally had a high success rate with their customer service department. I sent back 3 revolvers for repair. Two of three were done at no charge and I was a very satisfied customer. One revolver had to go back due to a Mis timing of the barrel causing a large windage error that could not be corrected with the sights. They charged me to correct that, a customer service rep was as accommodating as possible but paying $150 to repair a thirty-year-old gun with a windage problem from the factory is not good.
 
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