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wildburp

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I submit this reluctantly; I hope it will prevent injury. I recently rolled over while sleeping and fired one of my Colt SAA .45's accidentally. You may think "I can load six and stick it my pants" and not worry. Well I rolled over in my sleep, and my hand bumped the hammer. The gun hangs on a cup hook screwed into the bottom of a shelf above my bed (luckily pointed away!). I saw a flash (through closed eyes, but believed I was dreaming)then slowly awoke (I wear a nose mask for sleep apnea). Once I pulled the mask off and smelled the smoke, I knew I was not dreaming. I scratched my left cheek for several weeks afterwards, because it was injured by the explosion, which sent debris from the cylinder/barrel joint into my face (I was on my right side at the time, with that side of my head in the pillow).

I like to think of myself as an expert with firearms; I've fired fully automatic weapons, semi-automatics, revovlers, rifles, and shotguns, always with safety foremost in my mind (luckily, never in combat). You don't have to fully cock a SAA to make it go bang - I doubt my restless arm deflected the firing pin more than a quarter inch, but it was enough to initiate the chain reaction begun by the insulted primer. 255 grains of lead suddenly shot forth around 900 + (?) feet per second, into the uncharted universe. Luckily, nobody was harmed.

Here's how to load a 6 shot SAA (with 5) - Load one, skip one. In other words, with six empty cylinders, load one, then click past the next empty cylinder, leaving it empty, and continue loading - after the fifth cartridge is shoved in, close the gate, pull the hammer all the way back, and let it down on the EMPTY cylinder. This works. You'll have five rounds loaded, with the hammer resting on the single remaining empty cylinder. The rule is LOAD ONE, SKIP ONE.

So, what's the lesson here? Right! Don't carry the old SAA fully loaded. If you are going into a fight, sure, load six; hopefully the bad guy will thoughtfully provide an empty casing under the hammer for future saftey.

wildburp

post scriptum: it should go without saying, but don't leave autos laying about with rounds in the chamber. Leave a clip in the well, then release the slide catch to load a round to fire. Noise, you say? Unless you are have to ****, don't fart.

Thanks for all the feedback. I have always known the danger of loading 6 when carrying, but thought nothing of having it ready for home defence with 6 loaded. I reloaded with 5 after the incident (I live alone and seldom have guests, but unload everything when I do). Knowing the load state and that I have sole control, I have to say I see no problem with the cup hanger with no round under the hammer. I keep an S&W model 19 .357 on a hook in another part of the house, fully loaded and ready for use. One person suggested storing the Colt in a holster near the bed; I think that is generally frowned upon because of moisture problems, especially since my place is cooled with an evaporative cooler.

My Browning 9 and Colt 1911-A1 are now stored with the slide locked back with a magazine handy, but not in the well, as someone suggested (neither hung from the trigger guard).

Speaking of load status, can anyone recall a movie where a DA revolver is opened to spin the cylinder to check for rounds when the "fish hits the lure" sound effect is not dubbed in? Or can anyone name the movie in which Clint Eastwood's character dies?

Still learning in Sunnyvale,

WB
 
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Uhh, OK. I agree on your "thoughts" with the SAA's...been a proven fact for 100+ years. I reckon' you confirmed and learned from that...glad you weren't hurt, but how is your hearing?

post scriptum: it should go without saying, but don't leave autos laying about with rounds in the chamber. Leave a clip in the well, then release the slide catch to load a round to fire.

What! You gotta be kiddin' on this one, right? That sounds as bad as the "alive after five" situation on your SAA. That's another bump in the night potential BANG situation.

Perhaps a refresher course in Basic Firearms Handling Safety 101 is in order. Hanging a loaded weapon by the trigger guard on a hook is a NO-NO for certain. Remember the thing about finger off the trigger unless one is ready to shoot? Same principal applies to a cup-hook I would think.

I'm not trying to come across as a smart-aleck-know-it-all-jerk, just got some concerns for your safety Sir. :what:
 
I tend to agree with Cocked & Locked. Just like keeping your finger out of the trigger gaurd unless you intend to fire, you also need NOT hang a loaded gun by the trigger gaurd. That's simply asking for trouble, which you almost recieved. That's one of the basics that even an ametuer should know and understand, even more so for an "expert".
I'd take a close look at the way any and all firearms are stoed at your residence and as mentioned by C&L, go over the Basic Firearms Handling Safety Rules again.
 
Retire the Colt,they are worth serious money now. Buy a Ruger
SA or a good double action revolver or get a Glock or HK or Springfield XD in 45acp
 
I like to think of myself as an expert with firearms;
Yet you didn't know what has been known about these revolvers for 133 years? Then you hang a loaded revolver from a cup hook directly above your bed and in arms reach. Maybe you should rethink what you actually know about firearms.
 
Retire the Colt,they are worth serious money now. Buy a Ruger
SA or a good double action revolver or get a Glock or HK or Springfield XD in 45acp

But, if you get a Glock or XD, FOR GOD'S SAKE, DON'T HANG IT BY THE TRIGGER GUARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate to sound like an arse, but when I was 16 years old with my first handgun, a single action Hawes .22 on the colt pattern, I had sense enough to realize it was unsafe with a round under the hammer. I wrote the NRA (which I was already a member of) inquiring what the safe way to carry this gun was, and they told me to leave the chamber empty under the hammer and that it was a long time tradition only to carry five in your "six shooter". I mean, even a 16 year old kid figured out having a round under the hammer with the hammer down was NOT cool! I'd thought carrying the gun on half cock was a little iffy, too, didn't make me feel safe. That's why I wrote someone with more experience for advise on the subject. I had sense enough to ask someone about it and in 1969 I didn't have the internet to help figure this one out! I don't know why it didn't occur to me on my own to carry with five, but it didn't. At least I knew I should ask someone with more knowledge on the subject. I've now been shooting for 48 years. I've had NRA instructor certification in pistol and rifle, I've belonged to NRA and my local gun club for many years. I still don't know it all. I still ask questions when I don't know.

Don't blame the gun for user error.....:rolleyes:
 
I had a 'related' type experience a few years ago, thankfully without the ND. Keeping fully loaded handguns of any type within easy reach while sleeping can be an iffy thing. Here's what happened to me:

I had been having some sort of nightmare or other and when i fully woke up from it, i found myself in a sitting position on the edge of the bed with my hand on my BHP in the nightstand drawer. This gun always had a full mag in it with one in the pipe as well.

Now i did manage to wake up before i cocked the hammer or had a ND, but needless to say this incident scared the snot out of me, thinking about what could have happened :what: if i had taken any longer to wake up.

I do not keep a round in the pipe any longer, because of that specific incident. Not saying anyone else should or shouldn't, just relating my own new religion about things like this. I own several DA revolvers too, and since that bad-dream incident I've concluded that those would be even less forgiving in a similar situation.

YMMV
 
That would be why the new repros tend to have a transfer bar design.

And what's with hanging it by a CUP HOOK on the trigger guard? It's not a teacup! :scrutiny:
 
Put that baby in a holster, maybe with hammer thong on it, then hang the holster from the bed. Just leave it on the gun belt, and throw the belt over the corner post, eh?
 
I agree, great advice on the hammer mounted firing pin SAA's.


I totally disagree when it comes to semi-autos or DA revolvers. If they are to be used for home defense or CCW, they are loaded and in a quality holster that protects the trigger guard from accidental contact.

If I need my CCW/HD gun, I need it now and not after I release the slide.

Steve
 
GunNut...

If you ever wake up some night with one of your guns in your hand when you had no conscious intent of picking it up in the first place, the experience would likely change your way of thinking. If you're still alive to contemplate things afterwards, that is. It sounds as if you're 'sure' that something like that could never happen to you. I never would have thought so myself, either. YMMV
 
Lou,

While I respect your decision, I choose to make my own choices.

It's a risk/reward sort of thing with many things in life. I feel like the chance of me doing something in the middle of the night with my own handgun accidentally, is like the chance one of my trees falls on my head walking out the door.

I've still got trees.

Steve
 
GN,
We all have choices to make and our reasoning behind them. I wasn't attempting to make choices for you or anyone else :) all i was saying was that IF what happened to me had happened to you, it'd likely get your complete & undivided attention for a while afterwards, and might change a guys' outlook. Know what i mean?
Btw, that incident of mine was over 16 years ago now, and while it has never happened since then, it has also never faded from my memory.
 
Grandad taught me " Load 5 to stay alive " with the old colt , advise that has served me well over the years . Heck its so ingrained with me , that is the way i load the ruger new model single six i have too lol .
 
How is keeping a loaded revolver or charged auto on your bedstand any different than walking around with one of either in your pants?

Having kids could certainly change things, but god help me, my P345 will never be empty again. ('cept cleanin')
 
Any gun that has an "automatically applied safety" (transfer bar or hammer block in the case of revolvers or various functional equivelents among autos) MUST not have anything contact the trigger. A tea-cup holder hook is nuts. You need a holster that covers the triggerguard.

If you need something cheap for bedside use, make one out of sheet plastic (cut up an old gallon milk jug) and duct tape if you have to - fold it around the gun to make a "sleeve", trim the plastic with scissors, duct tape it. People make respectable pocket holsters like this for small guns all the time.

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The Beretta Stampede, Colt "Cowboy", all Ruger SAs since 1973, the EAA "Bounty Hunter" series and the Taurus Gaucho are "old west looking" (to varying degrees in some cases) and have modern transfer bar ignitions.
 
"The gun hangs on a cup hook screwed into the bottom of a shelf above my bed...I wear a nose mask for sleep apnea...I live alone and seldom have guests..."

Coincidence? :p
 
Perhaps my interpretation on this is different, maybe because I am new.
First, thanks for sharing an experience that is at least somewhat embarrassing, so others may learn from your actions. I decline to call them "mistakes".
Second, I give you enough credit to not hang a gun on a hook that will contact the trigger. I thought it was a different idea, one I had not thought about.
Third, I have been handling single actions for 35 years, and do not carry a round under the hammer, but I would not have considered it a bad idea to load it as you did in the manner you had it. Yes, carrying it w/ 5 is safer, but in the home, lying /hanging near the bed, I would not have considered it to be a problem.
Fourth, as to the holster thing, yes, extended time in a leather holster can cause problems. For just hangin' around, get one of the nylon ones, i.e. Uncle Mikes. It will give you secure a place to store your gun and still give you access w/o concern for the potential damage to your gun.
Fifth, I admire a man confident enough to "carry" a Single Action for self defense. It is hard to beat a .45 w/ a 255 gr. bullet.
Last, perhaps it may be time to consider a Ruger w/ the transfer bar.
 
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