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Mr. Worley, I didn't like the idea behind the safety bullet when I first heard about it on Free Republic and I don't like it now. I believe it's a solution in search of a problem and can cause your firearm to become useless should someone forget that one of your safety bullets is loaded in the pipe.
 
I really think one could use this device in their weapons in good conscience- just as I will not, in equally good conscience. Save some lives, take some lives- as long as the maker knows, if he sells enough, that *someone* will die with a useless firearm in his hands.
 
Sorry but i will pass dont want to die .. liek said above i really dont think you will rember to cycle you gun at 3amwhen woke up to breaking glass etc etc to clean the dud round.
 
Wouldn't a typical snap-cap do the same job?
Seems like hype to me, when one could just leave the chamber empty for the same effect.
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Better than empty if a child gets it. If said child were to pull the trigger, the barrel is sealed. That is the only saving grace. I guess if we had loaded guns in daycare facilities in the toy box, there would be a market.
 
If this were loaded in every gun we could end accidental shooting once and for all.
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Only if you accept the gun control crowd's propaganda about how firearm accidents happen. Their ignorant rantings about guns is a poor place to start formulating a cure for the "problem".

And calling it a "Safety Bullet" when it is NOT a bullet will not inspire confidence in knowledgeable gun owners.

I'm going to put something in my gun that was designed by someone who doesn't know what a bullet is? :what:


Not.



BTW, may I recommend proofreading your site? After all, it IS commercial web site.
 
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(a) American Children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. The rate of accidental shooting is nearly 12 times higher in the United States than all the other top 25 industrial nations combined.

(d) Unsecured firearms in homes create the potential for accidental shooting and increase the risk of suicide.

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http://www.safetybullet.com/pages/2/index.htm
This kind of propaganda in and of itself would be reason enough for me to never purchase anything from you.
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American children are at greater risk from firearms accidents than children elsewhere in the industrialized world simply because there are more privately owned firearms in the US than in any other first world nation.

In and of itself, this statement is not propaganda if you understand the context in which it is made and the actual (negligible*) role firearms accidents have in the accidental injury or death of children.

The next statement is partially true.

It's a simple fact that an unsecured firearm does increase the chance for a negligent discharge due to the increased chance of an untrained and/or unauthorized person getting a hold of it.

We can argue about the degree of increase in the chance, but it does increase it because the chance of a firearms accident in a home without a firearm is essentially zero.

Now the suicide part is something I do disagree with because if someone really wants to kill themselves, there are plenty of other means available to do it with other than a gun.

The lack of a firearm may prevent 'impulse' suicides, but I'm not really certain about that, either.


As far as the safety bullet goes, it sounds like something I'd use in a 'car gun' that I'd be worried about getting stolen from my vehicle.

If your gun ever got stolen, wouldn't you just love to read a week later about the goblin who got shot in self-defense while trying to use a 'jammed' gun on a citizen?

It's even better the next day when the police call to tell you that they recovered your gun, but you'll get it back after the coroner's hearing. :D

Other than this limited instance, I see no real use for the safety bullet, but it *is* an interesting concept.

*Firearms aren't even in the top 10 nonfatal injuries chart. More children by far are nonfatally injured from dog bites, cuts, and falls than from firearms. The fatal accidental firearm death rate for children aged 0-18 is 0.20 per 100,000 people (154 deaths in 2001)
 
The site says "The life you save may be your own" How?

I don't point guns at myself EVER and if a cop or criminal saw me point the gun at them they would not know if it had Safty Bullet in it or not and would react as if it were loaded.
 
Did you guys see this?

In a revolver the cylinder revolves. With the hammer back you can spin the cylinder, so the only way to be truly safe is to load a Safety Bullet in every chamber. So that no matter which chamber the hammer falls on it can only hit on a Safety Bullet. The Safety Bullet will instantly disable your firearm by locking itself in the firing chamber and the locking part of the Safety Bullet, the Ram, moves far enough forward so that its outboard end moves into the barrel. Now the cylinder can not revolve until the Safety Bullet is removed. Your gun is safe.
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Huh... Every Chamber? Pardon me... but what is the point of that? As I understood it the point of this thing is to leave the weapon "safe but ready to use" how... exactly is having six of these things better than having unloaded chambers? Other you might sucker somebody into buying six of of them for your revolver. Sounds to me like somebody designed this for autos.. realized it didn't work at all in revolvers and decided a stupid answer was better than none.

Oh, and those six pointless "saftey bullets" in your revolver will cost you nearly $80... HA!
 
Interesting idea, but I don't know if I have a use for it unless I had children strong enough to rack a slide. For now I don't keep a round chambered, and never leave a loaded firearm unattended.
 
Guys, it does have a valid application. Remember that collection Jscaledo showed us at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60689 ?

That collection is not for self defense and I'm sure he has others that serve that purpose. For displays guns not meant to be used, having those dummy bullets in would be a perfect and safe way to deactivate them without either permanently modifying the firearm or compromising one's ability for self defense. They never counted in the self-defense equation to begin with.

It's a valid concept but its application must be used with discretion. Like yourselves, I would not want one in my self defense gun but for wall hangers and display guns, why not?
 
Better than empty if a child gets it
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Never leave a loaded firearm unattended where a child can get to it.
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All these silly safety devices are just ways to bypass the common sense rules that define Firearms Safety. Seems that one could devolop bad habits with such safety devices.

Oleg:
Tell the inventor I'll use my money for real bullets.
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If you need to load EVERY chamber in a revolver to make it safe...

Wouldn't just leaving it unloaded be just as safe and cheaper?


Now before you say, "What if the child finds the ammunition and loads it?"
If a child is able to load live ammo then that same child is also smart enough to UNLOAD the toy ammo.


No offense intended intended here, but even with the atrocious spelling in the web site I can't see why it took FOUR YEARS to develop the safety bullet or am I the only one who see it as just a primer fired wall anchor?
 
For displays guns not meant to be used, having those dummy bullets in would be a perfect and safe way to deactivate them without either permanently modifying the firearm or compromising one's ability for self defense.
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Who loads a display gun anyway? If you must load it dummy cartridges would be much cheaper and just as effective.
 
My good manners say Welcome to THR! :)


My critical side I am afraid is not quite so generous!! My criticisms are I hope (intended to be) constructive - not destructive.

1] . The main points have been covered .. we are almost all self defence oriented and the device is NOT IMO in the least pertinent to this at all ... for reasons already well laid out in previous posts. I do not always remember things and to know whether I had a device in place or not would be a miracle - plus if my life is on the line I want instant action from my piece ... NO fiddling in the heat of the (deadly) moment. One thing I do remember without fail tho is rule #1.

2]. Pertaining to the web site .... sorry but .. spelling etc lets it down big time .. plus, it lacks the (IMO) needed professional layout and presentation ... I design sites .... and this could/should be better.

3]. Also site oriented .... I happen to still be on dial up .. by the time the animated image had finished downloading .. I would normally have been long gone!!! Far too great a burden ..... speed of download is everything, even in these broadband days. People have little patience.

4]. I forget when the thread started but I have not yet seen you drop back in to field questions or comments .... asking for people to be emailing you is not enough ... you post here then you should join the discussion .. otherwise I feel your first ever post smacks of little more than an attempt at free advertizing.


Sorry to be pulling things to pieces .... but the commercial world is viscious ... and will crucify the weak and lame ... and thus far I feel ''weak'' is a much more pertinent word than ''strong''.

I still wish you luck however .. without I hope that seeming churlish after what I have written.:)
 
speed of download is everything, even in these broadband days. People have little patience.
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Yup. This isn't Korea - most folks here are still on dial-up. Whiz bang graphics don't impress people who don't see them.


I feel your first ever post smacks of little more than an attempt at free advertizing.
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Uh, ya think? :D



Oh, BTW, P95, about that spelling thing.... "advertizing"?


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(Yeah, I know, we all commit typos when posting online real time. Doesn't detract from your point about spelling on a commercial web site. But I couldn't let you go without a small dig, could I? :D )
 
More anti-inspired useless feel-good junk that will eventually get someone killed. How long before the Brady bunch starts lobbying for these things to be mandatory? :rolleyes:

Hopefully it will die a quick death in the market.
 
glocksman,

Read the quote carefully -- in part A) Mr. SafetyBullet is telling us that US children are 12 times more at risk from gun accidents then in the other 25 industrialized nations combined. Really... don't you find this a bit odd considering this :
1. Thousands of children die annually in gun accidents.

False. Gun accidents involving children are actually at record lows, although you wouldn't know it from listening to the mainstream media. In 1997, the last year for which data are available, only 142 children under 15 years of age died in gun accidents, and the total number of gun-related deaths for this age group was 642. More children die each year in accidents involving bikes, space heaters or drownings. The often repeated claim that 12 children per day die from gun violence includes "children" up to 20 years of age, the great majority of whom are young adult males who die in gang-related violence.
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http://www.cato.org/dailys/05-13-00.html

Indeed, in 1997 were there only 11 children in the top 25 industrialized nations killed in gun accidents combined?

In part D) Mr. Safetybullet tells us that guns increase suicide rates. Oh? I suppose the same can be said of fire extinguishers causing fires too right?

Personnally, i'd like Mr. Safetybullet to stop doing me favors by designing potentially dangerous "safety devices" and then telling me I need them because "gun are dangerous"... bother!

Lapidator
 
In addition to the concerns listed above, my main worry is that using the safety bullet would allow a 'safety minded' homeowner to become complacent about locking his firearms up when they aren't within reach of it.

I.e. Dad might not bother to put his pistol back in the gun safe before going to work because 'it has a safety bullet' and is therefore accident proof. But his young son starts playing with it and has seen enough movies to rack the slide....

Or, as mentioned above, a young child who gets ahold of the weapon and starts playing ends up pulling the trigger....locking up the gun without the owners knowledge. I guess this is better than the alternative in this situation, but wouldn't a fast access gunsafe be the best solution here?

The idea that a 'safety bullet' will make your gun safe is dangerous. Since it allows your weapon to be ready 'in an instant' simply by cycling the weapon, it obviously isn't fool proof. And it is certainly not as secure as a gunsafe, and if someone can figure out how to get into your gunsafe, then they are going to figure out how to beat the safety bullet.

This will just give people who aren't very gun conscious but who are willing to take basic steps (like a pistol safe) a false sense of security about leaving their weapons laying around within reach of 'unauthorized' users.
 
My point was that children are at greater risk in the US of being involved in a firearm accident simply because the sheer number of firearms in private hands increases the risk factor.

I'm not agreeing with the '12 times higher' number, however, because I haven't seen the data to support it.

The thing to keep in mind is that while the 154 accidental deaths among children are a tragedy, that number was out of a total of 76,669,159 children.

If you exercise responsible gun storage and education practices, your child has a better chance of being elected Secretary-General of the UN than he does of dying in a firearms accident.


The flaw in the 'safety bullet' concept as far as child safety goes is that the parents who would most likely purchase them are the ones who exercise prudent care with their guns and don't need such a panacea to keep their kids safe.
 
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