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commie guns in commie calibers :)

if you're going to convert it and feed it with high caps, x39 is what I'd recommend.

you can get 30 rounders in nice shape all day long for $12 ea. if you go with an x39
 
SSN Vet,

And you can get 35 rounder 5.56 for $20 each, every day. Don't get dragged into the assumption that "commie" guns only work in "commie" calibers.
 
TOU,

I'd suggest KVAR or DSArms.
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Kvar just has the full sets with pistol grips for $58.99 (no screw though, that is separate $5.99) and I just want the butt as I want a different grip. That said, it is probably the cheapest route...hmmm. If I could get a bunch of plain butts themselves for reasonable I would just go that route for the majority and be done with them. Got me thinking on the ACE's again though. So...the Warsaw length is the longer one though, correct? (The one Kvar is out of. ;))
 
So...the Warsaw length is the longer one though, correct? (The one Kvar is out of. )
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Warsaw is shorter. Think Warsaw Pact, the evil godless Commies that were against us in the Cold War. Those malnourished peasants weren't as big as our meat-n-potatoes boys so they needed smaller stocks. ;)
 
Where are yall finding 30 rounders for $20? I assume yall are talking about magazines, if not correct me.
 
Those synthetic mags work just as well as the factory ones? All I ever used were factory mags.
 
Don't get dragged into the assumption that "commie" guns only work in "commie" calibers.
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never heard or fell for that assumption.....

yet, I think there's merit in recognizing that some of the classic "benchmark" tools (rifles) were made in a the caliber they were, because that's what the designer very carefully chose to do. And they then went on to critical acclaim that way.

Seems like a lot of "me to" designers jump on the band wagon....

Not that a design can't be improved upon.....

but given the mission for which the rifle gained widespread popularity, have any of the caliber changes really been a quantum leap improvement?

Case in point....if I want a 5.56 / .223 rifle, I'll go get the rifle that put 5.56 / .223 on the radar screen, a civilian spin off of the M-16.

and if I want a recipocating saw....I'll get a Sawzall....and if I want a right angle drill with a lot of torque, I'll get a Hole Hawg.

Just my little opinion.....which is worth at least what you paid to hear it.

and OBTW....last time I checked $12 was still a lot less than $20....especially when buying multiples
 
if you're just interested in the black buttstock, the cheapest i've seen is ( if memory serves) at ULTIMAK. just the stock is $45. everyone else wants to sell the whole set, which i don't like 'cause the first thing i'm going to do is toss that tiny standard pistol grip ( in a parts drawer,so don't ask:neener:) and yes, as long as we're talking bulgarian polymers,the synthetic mags are great.
 
guess Ill go ahead and ask

When yall say convert it to hi caps, do I have to actually convert the rifle to be able to use the big mags? or were yall just talking about the actual rounds to put through it? I dont know anything about converting any type of firearm so I guess Im pretty ignorant when it comes to that.
 
Desperado said:
Where are yall finding 30 rounders for $20? I assume yall are talking about magazines, if not correct me.
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Some milsurp mags require you to file your mag catch as well as add a feed ramp for function in a Saiga. The Galil orlites work fine with only a feed ramp.

Desperado said:
When yall say convert it to hi caps, do I have to actually convert the rifle to be able to use the big mags? or were yall just talking about the actual rounds to put through it? I dont know anything about converting any type of firearm so I guess Im pretty ignorant when it comes to that.
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Adding a feed ramp and lightly polishing the mag catch of the Saiga allows you to use commie surplus AK mags of 20, 30 and 40+ round capacity. No mag catch modding necessary with Galil mags, just the feed ramp.
 
I believe Mr. Kalishnakov's choice of caliber and cartridge was based on what was already availible to the soviets at the time. The SKS was already chambered in the intermediate 7.62x39mm, and even if he had tried to design the AK in a different caliber it would have been shot down by Russia's army. JMB originally wanted a .38 caliber bullet to be fired from his 1911 design, but he had build what the Army wanted. And I believe that the 1911 can be had in various different chamberings, all of which work with the same reliability as the same copy chambered for .45 auto.

What I'm trying to say is that the AK firearm can be chambered in whatever your heart desires. Reliability comes from the mechanical build, not so much the round it fires.
 
Reliability comes from the mechanical build, not so much the round it fires.
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To an extent, but there are some factors that do play into reliability.

The .223 and .308 rounds are pretty much straight-walled designs. The 7.62 Soviet has a very heavy taper to the cartridge. This taper makes it that much easier for the round to feed into the chamber. There is a slightly greater chance of a misfeed with the straight-walled American rounds in the AK action, due to dirt or fouling.

But a .223 AK action will still be more reliable than an AR-15.
 
I'm not disputing the fact that a tapered cartridge would have slightly more reliable feeding, but when it comes down to how much of an advantage that really is when comparing tapered to straight-walled catridges in terms of reliabilty of action, you'll be splitting hairs. There really isn't a discernable difference of reliabilty between the two, especially when it comes to the casual shooting most often done by this board's members. Perhaps if you continually shot a pristine example of each rifle for an extended period of time without stopping or cleaning, the advantage may become obvious after a few thousand constant rounds, but I don't see the mean total of rounds fired before a malfunction being too far off from eachother.
 
TOU said:
Kvar just has the full sets with pistol grips for $58.99 (no screw though, that is separate $5.99) and I just want the butt as I want a different grip.
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Remember -- you also need the pistol grip nut. The Saiga doesn't come with one. You might as well buy both from KVAR and save yourself $6 shipping on a $5 part!

You can always sell the pistol grip -- it will probably get you enough to cover the price of the grip and screw. I sold mine off my Lancaster AK in a couple of hours. Every little bit helps when you're bitten by the bug!

Jim
 
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