Saiga Range Report!

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Hi all...;)

as some of you know, i got my new saiga last tuesday, it's a .223 with 20''BBL, all i can say is "this is the most accurate ak rifle that i have ever shot" but wi'' get to that later, i'm going to tell you the short story.

i start off at 25 yards because i wanted to sight-in the red-dot :banghead:, the first 2 shots where 2 feets away from the paper :neener: but after i worked that out i move it to 50 yards...

50 yards
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then after a few shots at 50 yards i move to 100 yards (still sighting the red-dot)

100 yards:eek:
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and finally moved back to 50 yards, but this time (still sighting) i was looking for groups and not accuracy..and i got so happy after watching that group:what::what:

50 yards (final adjustments) :what:
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one thing is for sure... reddots are not ment for accuracy at 100 yards lol i can hardly see the shots because the DOT cover them lol:cuss: i know very little about groups but...

question 1,
as far as i know the last group look under 1 moa at 50 yards right?:confused: since i can cover all 4 shots with a quarter..

question 2,
that would make it a 1.5 or 2.5 moa at 100 yard?

keep in mind that i was using a reddot and not a hi-powered scope (which i will use next time :))

gun setup:
Saiga 223 20''BBL
Reddot 4''dot at 100yds
Harris bipods
ammo: remington 55gr UMC

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Sarduy,

AFAIC that's pretty good shooting for a red-dot or an AK.

Your shooting is about 1MOA at the 50yd mark. The 100yd mark looks more like 2-3MOA. This is all guess work from pictures.

This website will help to explain MOA.
http://www.ultimatesniper.com/View_...title_bar=CONVERTING RIFLE TRAJECTORY TABLES:

P.S. I would keep the red-dot rather than adding the regular scope, it looks as though the dot is right-on.
 
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cool man...thanks for the info... but what does AFAIC means? lol

i was kinda mad because i wasn't putting the shots next to each other, at 100 yards...but after hitting the 50 yard, i was very happy, i'll post more groups next time
 
Man, thats nice shootin'. Wish I could do that with my WASR. Btw, are you thinking of using something other than UMC? A good ammo might shrink that group down even tighter (especially with a telescopic rather than a red dot).
 
Man, thats nice shootin'. Wish I could do that with my WASR
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lmfao... i felt the same way when i saw the target:what:, and yeah jus to blow ammo, the UMC looks cheap and accurate... but i'll try different loads to find the best for it,
 
The simplest way to measure group size is to measure the outter most edges of the two farthest shot holes, then subtract the diameter of the bullet. This gives you the extreme center-to-center distance of the two farthest shots.

Minute of Angle is 1.047 inch at 100 yards, twice that at 200 yards, and half that at 50 yards. So MOA at 50 yards would be .524 inch. So you divide the group size by .524 to get the MOA size of your group. If your 50 yard group was, for example, .87 inch in diameter, measuring center-to-center of the two farthest shot holes, then .87/.524 = 1.66 MOA. On the other hand, if your group was only .49 inch, you'd have a group .935 MOA.
 
The simplest way to measure group size is to measure the outter most edges of the two farthest shot holes, then subtract the diameter of the bullet. This gives you the extreme center-to-center distance of the two farthest shots.

Minute of Angle is 1.047 inch at 100 yards, twice that at 200 yards, and half that at 50 yards. So MOA at 50 yards would be .524 inch. So you divide the group size by .524 to get the MOA size of your group. If your 50 yard group was, for example, .87 inch in diameter, measuring center-to-center of the two farthest shot holes, then .87/.524 = 1.66 MOA. On the other hand, if your group was only .49 inch, you'd have a group .935 MOA.
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very good info. ;)
 
The simplest way to measure group size is to measure the outter most edges of the two farthest shot holes, then subtract the diameter of the bullet. This gives you the extreme center-to-center distance of the two farthest shots.
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FWIW, I too measured my groups this way for years. Then one day it occurred to me that I could accomplish exactly the same thing by measuring from the outside of one bullet hole to the inside of the bullet hole that is furthest away. Of course if all your bullets are in one ragged hole, this won't work! Try it!

35W
 
FWIW, I too measured my groups this way for years. Then one day it occurred to me that I could accomplish exactly the same thing by measuring from the outside of one bullet hole to the inside of the bullet hole that is furthest away. Try it!
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This only works as long as your groups aren't good enough for the bullet holes to overlap.
 
that is pretty good.Kinda makes me have reason (like I need one) to get one.But since I have a AR and Mini and the fact I have been going milsurp crazy (got a couple newbies to show soon) I will have to force myself to wait.
 
Nice addition to your collection, sarduy.

FWIW, if you have Excel, this'll work to calculate MOA:
Put the distance in yards in cell A1 and the group size in inches in cell A2 and paste this formula in another cell
=ROUND((120*DEGREES(ATAN((A2/2)/(A1*36)))),3)
It'll be rounded to three decimal places.
 
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