SAR K-12 Sport

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I've handled them and they were really nice. On par with higher end CZ and Witness. How they ran, no idea.

I do have a few hundred rounds thru the lower end sarsilmaz guns. Big fan of their CZ clones. Only issue on the base models are fiesty trigger slap on some versions
 
Sooo...

The guy who wrote that article is an idiot. The K12 is not a CZ clone, not a licensed CZ produced product and shares next to nothing in CZ parts compatibility.

It is however a clone??? of tanfoglio and some parts might/should fit.
Tanfoglio is an Italian company who took the CZ 75 design and made changes to the internals. Tanfoglio was also the company that was at one point making the Jericho pistols.

I've read some mixed reviews of this pistol from people whom actually bought it and not given/paid to do a YT review.
 
FWIW, I've owned two of their "CZ inspired" compact-sized polymer 9mm's.

They both functioned perfectly and I shot them well.

I traded the first one towards a nice S&W revolver and immediately replaced it with another.

Good quality pistols, IMHO.

(Good rule of thumb: When buying less expensive brands of pistols, it's worth it to pay a little extra for stainless.)

SAR B6C 9mm

SAR B6C 9mm

 
My only experience with Sar is a full sized B-6, a dirt cheap "improved" copy of the CZ 75. Having no experience with the CZ I really can't say just what the improvements are but it does run on a poly frame. It fits my hand perfectly and has been flawless in operation.

I haven't encountered a B12 in any shop but would be interested just because of the luck I have had with the B-6.
 
The one I handled had some of the most deplorable checkering I’ve ever seen. Made me wonder just how poor the workmanship and fitting was in the areas that really count. (And from what I could tell without disassembling or firing it, things weren’t promising in those areas either.)
 
That's strange, I have several SAR guns, and the machine work is pretty much flawless. Easily the equal of my Sphinx SDP, and my bunch of Tanfoglio guns from over 30 years ago to a couple of years ago.
 
Guys,
You get what you pay for. A friend of mine had one and it felt like a $600 competition pistol, nothing more.

Poor checkering, lousy trigger (for its intended purpose), screw flew out of the rear sight during operation, and just all around fair at best quality levels.

I’m not a fan of Turkish anything and this is no exception.

Yes, it absolutely is a CZ clone. I don’t believe parts need to be 100% compatible to use the term these days. It uses the same basic design, as do many other pistols.
 
hemiram said:
That's strange, I have several SAR guns, and the machine work is pretty much flawless. Easily the equal of my Sphinx SDP, and my bunch of Tanfoglio guns from over 30 years ago to a couple of years ago.
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The OP posted the same thread at TFL, and someone responded with a link to a thread at the Brian Enos forum that had a picture showing the same level of pitiful checkering that I saw on the one I handled. The one I examined also showed loose lockup at the radial lugs and an extremely sloppy slide-to-frame fit. I'm sure some are better than others, but then highly inconsistent QC is more or less what I would expect from the Turkish guns.

Here's a link to the BE thread and a cropped and enlarged photo of the checkering:

https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/296742-sar-k12-sport-all-the-upgrades/

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Brother-in-law has one. Very well machined and fitted. Excellent trigger pull and break. It absolutely is a CZ clone imho. NOT a direct copy but can't deny it's genetics. I guess clone is up to interpretation. I found it to be a lot of gun for the money. Very accurate. I own several "genuine" CZ75b models and several "clones" from various manufacturers for basing my opinion on.
 
HollowDawg said:
Brother-in-law has one. Very well machined and fitted. Excellent trigger pull and break. It absolutely is a CZ clone imho. NOT a direct copy but can't deny it's genetics. I guess clone is up to interpretation. I found it to be a lot of gun for the money. Very accurate. I own several "genuine" CZ75b models and several "clones" from various manufacturers for basing my opinion on.
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I respectfully disagree. I feel it’s priced appropriately. If you’re comparing it with a stock service CZ 75, yes it has more features for the same money. However, it’s built in Turkey. Labor is cheap. They don’t hold resale value either.

It sure a far cry for the CZ Tactical Sport that it’s trying to emulate.

Not sure which trigger you’re comparing it to, but I thought the trigger sucked.
 
charleslee said:
What ???
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You said it had enough features to sell for twice what it does. I said $1200 would be robbery for the K-12.

I said don’t get hung up on features.

It’s a $600 gun and there’s a reason for that. It’s a crude pistol.
 
I have/had 2 Sar pistols. The K12 Sport and the K2 45c. Put about 500 rounds through the K12 and it performs way above its price point. Decent trigger, fast, accurate with 124gr bullets pushed to about 1100 fps. Very good to excellent fit and finish on my example. It is heavy but well balanced.
 
Well, it is differences in opinion that make horse races....and gun forums.:) Wouldn't be interesting if we all agreed all the time.
 
AustinTX said:
The OP posted the same thread at TFL, and someone responded with a link to a thread at the Brian Enos forum that had a picture showing the same level of pitiful checkering that I saw on the one I handled. The one I examined also showed loose lockup at the radial lugs and an extremely sloppy slide-to-frame fit. I'm sure some are better than others, but then highly inconsistent QC is more or less what I would expect from the Turkish guns.

Here's a link to the BE thread and a cropped and enlarged photo of the checkering:

https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/296742-sar-k12-sport-all-the-upgrades/

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Wow, that's pretty bad, but none of my SAR's has anything approaching a "sloppy" silde to rail fit. I would put them up against my multiple Tanfoglios and Jerichos in every way. Slide fit is equal to all but my "Mossad" TA/90 (like an early Witness) that has about as tight a slide fit as I've seen outside of a few high end 1911's. Considering it cost me like $320, it's one of my great bargains. Another is my SAR CM9G2, which is my "house gun" A great gun that only cost me $250 shipped. My only regret is I didn't buy another one before the price went up.

The only bad thing I can say about any of my SAR guns is that the lockup on my sr38 .357 isn't great. Shoots fine, but isn't great by any means. Other than that, they work as well as the "real thing" (Tanfoglio) and other than being a little more accurate, my CZ Custom p07 and SPhinx SDP aren't light years better in any way except sights. Both have better (custom) sights than the CM9G2, but it wouldn't be a big thing to upgrade the SAR to the same level. The slight accuracy difference is nothing, IMHO. I've seen several real CZ's over the years that don't even come close to any SAR gun I've looked at.
 
Hmm. So now we contemplate whether CZ’s custom shop is so bad, or if Turkish hand labor is universally so good.


Good, fast, cheap. Choose two.
I have some Turkish firearms. I could buy them that day, and they were very inexpensive…
 
So far, after I guess about 5 years, it's all good, IMHO. The price back when I bought most of them was a huge bonus. I've handled, not shot the poly Witness that the CM9 G2 is a clone of, and if I didn't see the barrel and slide imprints, I don't think I could tell them apart. The molding on the frame is equal, and the machine work seems every bit as good too. I'm a happy SAR customer.
 
Timely (for me) thread, I've been considering one of these. Bad checkering doesn't bother me since I'd most likely slip on a Hogue anyway, and all steel hi cap .45's aren't exactly plentiful.
 
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