Saudis funding killers of US Troops

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Saudis reportedly funding Iraqi Sunnis

By SALAH NASRAWI, Associated Press WriterFri Dec 8, 6:03 AM ET

Private Saudi citizens are giving millions of dollars to Sunni insurgents in Iraq and much of the money is used to buy weapons, including shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles, according to key Iraqi officials and others familiar with the flow of cash.

Saudi government officials deny that any money from their country is being sent to Iraqis fighting the government and the U.S.-led coalition.

But the U.S. Iraq Study Group report said Saudis are a source of funding for Sunni Arab insurgents. Several truck drivers interviewed by The Associated Press described carrying boxes of cash from Saudi Arabia into Iraq, money they said was headed for insurgents.

Two high-ranking Iraqi officials, speaking on condition of 96 because of the issue's sensitivity, told the AP most of the Saudi money comes from private donations, called zaqat, collected for Islamic causes and charities.

Some Saudis appear to know the money is headed to Iraq's insurgents, but others merely give it to clerics who channel it to anti-coalition forces, the officials said.

In one recent case, an Iraqi official said $25 million in Saudi money went to a top Iraqi Sunni cleric and was used to buy weapons, including Strela, a Russian shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile. The missiles were purchased from someone in Romania, apparently through the black market, he said.

Overall, the Iraqi officials said, money has been pouring into Iraq from oil-rich Saudi Arabia, a Sunni bastion, since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq toppled the Sunni-controlled regime of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

Saudi officials vehemently deny their country is a major source of financial support for the insurgents.

"There isn't any organized terror finance, and we will not permit any such unorganized acts," said Brig. Gen. Mansour al-Turki, a spokesman for the Saudi Interior Ministry. About a year ago the Saudi government set up a unit to track any "suspicious financial operations," he said.

But the Iraq Study Group said "funding for the Sunni insurgency comes from private individuals within Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states."

Saudi officials say they cracked down on zakat abuses, under pressure from the United States, after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington.

The Iraqi officials, however, said some funding goes to Iraq's Sunni Arab political leadership, who then disburse it. Other money, they said, is funneled directly to insurgents. The distribution network includes Iraqi truck and bus drivers.

Several drivers interviewed by the AP in Middle East capitals said Saudis have been using religious events, like the hajj pilgrimage to Mecca and a smaller pilgrimage, as cover for illicit money transfers. Some money, they said, is carried into Iraq on buses with returning pilgrims.

"They sent boxes full of dollars and asked me to deliver them to certain addresses in Iraq," said one driver, who gave his name only as Hussein, out of fear of reprisal. "I know it is being sent to the resistance, and if I don't take it with me, they will kill me."

He was told what was in the boxes, he said, to ensure he hid the money from authorities at the border.

The two Iraqi officials would not name specific Iraqi Sunnis who have received money from Saudi Arabia. But Iraq issued an arrest warrant for Harith al-Dhari, a Sunni opponent of the Iraqi government, shortly after he visited Saudi Arabia in October. He was accused of sectarian incitement.

Saudi Arabia is a key U.S. ally in the Middle East. The Iraq Study Group report noted that its government has assisted the U.S. military with intelligence on Iraq.

But Saudi citizens have close tribal ties with Sunni Arabs in Iraq, and sympathize with their brethren in what they see as a fight for political control — and survival — with Iraq's Shiites.

The Saudi government is determined to curb the growing influence of its chief rival in the region, Iran. Tehran is closely linked to Shiite parties that dominate the Iraqi government.

Saudi officials say the kingdom has worked with all sides to reconcile Iraq's warring factions. They have, they point out, held talks in Saudi Arabia with Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose militia is accused of killing Sunnis.

These officials say zakat donations are now channeled through supervised bank accounts. Cash donation boxes, once prevalent in supermarkets and shopping malls, have been eliminated.

Still, Iraq's foreign minister expressed concern about the influence of neighboring Sunni states at a recent Arab foreign ministers meeting in Cairo.

"We hope that Saudi Arabia will keep the same distance from each and all Iraqi parties," Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari later told the AP.

Last month, the New York Times reported that a classified U.S. government report said Iraq's Sunni Arab insurgency had become self-sufficient financially, raising millions from oil smuggling, kidnapping and Islamic charities. The report did not say whether any money came from Saudi Arabia.

Allegations the insurgents have purchased shoulder-fired Strela missiles raise concerns that they are obtaining increasingly sophisticated weapons.

On Nov. 27, a U.S. Air Force F-16 jet crashed while flying in support of American soldiers fighting Anbar province, a Sunni insurgent hotbed. The U.S. military said it had no information about the cause of the crash. Gen. William Caldwell, a U.S. military spokesman, said he would be surprised if the jet was shot down because F-16's have not encountered weapons capable of taking them down in Iraq.

But last week, a spokesman for Saddam's ousted Baath party claimed that fighters armed with a Strela missile had shot down the jet.

"We have stockpiles of Strelas and we are going to surprise them (the Americans)," Khudair al-Murshidi, the spokesman told the AP in Damascus, Syria. He would not say how the Strelas were obtained.

Saddam's army had Strelas; it is not known how many survived the 2003 war. The Strela is a shoulder-fired, low-altitude system with a passive infrared guidance system.

The issue of Saudi funding for the insurgency could gain new prominence as the Bush administration reviews its Iraq policy, especially if it seeks to engage Iran and Syria in peace efforts.

Bush's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, wrote in a recent leaked memo that Washington should "step up efforts to get Saudi Arabia to take a leadership role in supporting Iraq, by using its influence to move Sunni populations out of violence into politics."

Last week, a Saudi who headed a security consulting group close to the Saudi government, Nawaf Obaid, wrote in the Washington Post that Saudi Arabia would use money, oil and support for Sunnis to thwart Iranian efforts to dominate Iraq if American troops pulled out. The Saudi government denied the report and fired Obaid.





The good old Saudis--those great friends of the Bush family. They get away with murder, don't they?

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IBTL!

This is news? Are there people anywhere around that don't yet know that:

1. Saudi money funds much of the terrorism in the world.
2. Saudi money paid for the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center

and

3. The Bush family has been doing business with Saudis (including the Bin Laden family) for as long as there has been oil in Saudi Arabia...
 
Last week, a Saudi who headed a security consulting group close to the Saudi government, Nawaf Obaid, wrote in the Washington Post that Saudi Arabia would use money, oil and support for Sunnis to thwart Iranian efforts to dominate Iraq if American troops pulled out. .
what's wrong with that exit strategy
 
Private Saudi citizens are giving millions of dollars to Sunni insurgents in Iraq

Compare and contrast with the pictures of GWB and a Saudi Royal necking that you included.
It's fairly safe to say that 'private US citizens' are also funding the insurgents, in fact I would guess the only country in the world that doesn't have 'private citizen' sympathizers would be Israel.
 
ceetee, meet real_name.

Any US citizen knowingly doing this is facing 20-to-life.

It is amazing the lengths people will go to keep their heads in the sand.
 
Any US citizen knowingly doing this is facing 20-to-life.

So, because there is a penalty in place it automatically follows that nobody will break the law?
Yes it is illegal for US citizens to fund terrorism, rightly so.
But money laundering is big business and terrorism is a growth industry and not everyone here loves America, so I do believe a correlation is in place that dictates that some money is coming from US citizens.

I await further outrage (yawn).
 
real_name, if you don't want to be outraged about Saudis helping to kill US troops, be my guest. You seem to have company in high places.

We are more than 5 years out from 9/11 now, if you've haven't noticed--and some things have changed very little, only superficially. Ever cross your mind why that is?

Let me guess--no.
 
I am outraged that US troops are dying, but not about where the money is coming from as much as why they are still there without realistic support. Families back home are sending silly string so they can locate trip wires in house searches, hillbilly armor on Humvees etc.

Saudi private citizens are funding the insurgency, but you paste a picture of GWB and a Saudi Royal?

That was my point.

Implicate the Saudi Royals if you can, and try to stop being outraged by people discussing your post, it can only ruin your day to get so heated up about matters.
 
The good old Saudis--those great friends of the Bush family. They get away with murder, don't they?

Got any good photos of Clinton making out with the Saudis? He was a huge supporter of the royal family, even when everything was showing Saudis (and members of the family) were helping Bin Laden build his network.
 
Implicate the Saudi Royals if you can, and try to stop being outraged by people discussing your post, it can only ruin your day to get so heated up about matters.

Some members have been implicated in supporting terrorism (beyond the official support for the wahabi sect). However, that's not surprising when you consider how widespread and numerous the royal family is.
 
"Saudi royals" is a term that literally encompasses thousands of people--over 25,000 actually. Back when anybody pretended to give a damn about such things, 4 or 5 years ago, there was ample outrage that many of these "private citizens" were among Al Qaeda's biggest financial supporters. As you may recall, these "private citizens" also constituted the largest donators to a telethon conducted on behalf of Palastinain terrorists as well.

Contrary to your implication, I really do enjoy the reaction to this thread. It is very entertaining to see people who believe themselves supporters of our armed forces turn themselves into knots to avoid the uncomfortably obvious.
 
Aren't there still charities operating in the US that might be funding that stuff also?
 
Outside of CAIR?

Evidence?

I don't like CAIR, but I'd think in 5 years+ the US government could make this case, especially in light of all the extraordinary powers they have grabbed--unless, of course, you are also implying there is some reason our leaders don't want to make such a case.

You guys can't have it both ways, I'm afraid.
 
You guys can't have it both ways, I'm afraid.

Why are you afraid?
Why are you assuming we want it both ways?
Is your tinfoil hat too tight? Yes the insurgents are funded, it isn't news. Out there in the real world people do mean things. I don't believe we have forgotten the hypocrisy surrounding the Bush/Saudi connection, but most people prioritize issues and this is a piece of the puzzle that was solved long ago.
 
I asked a specific question about a specific accusation, which, unlike what I posted, is wholly unsupported.

It seems strange you have such hostility to, and try to change the subject from, allegations that are well-supported, but completly ignore the context of my comments to allegations that are not supported at all.

More of the same on this issue--another trip down that mighty river in Egypt.
 
No hostility here, I'm calmly sat on a sofa with two dogs looking out on a frosty field thinking if I should go shooting or do some work while i wait for FedEx.
I am however interested in your 'me against you guys' complex, you are providing nice distraction that scratches my amateur psychologist itch.
 
It just seems that people want to talk about everything BUT the 800 pound elephant in the room when it comes to the Saudis--I mean we had Bill Clinton, CAIR and some mysterious US citizens offered up to negate the larger point.

Seems pretty odd to me, but then again I am not a member of any political party, so I don't need pretzel logic to address this topic.
 
I so love partisian anti-americanism in the morning. Yawn. I guess the anti -war demos would be happy to invade and make war with Saudia Arabia. I read this kind of crap on lefty sites early on. Imagine if the left and Democrats had actually supported the war from the beginning instead of playing politics. If I remember right by the time of the Demo 1994 Presidental convention a poll was done and 80% of the delgates were aganist the war. They have really helped this country. No one is a better supporter in times of National Security crisis than them. :neener:
 
Jokes are funny. Our boys getting killed with Saudi blood money is not.

Sorry to poop on your party, but I really detest these b@st@ards--and all that provide cover for them (not referring to anybody here, to my knowledge).
 
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