Savage 110FP Scope Problems

[ThePunisher'sArmory]

Alright I NEED help. I bought a Savage 110FP tactical in .223 (pre accutrigger) a while ago. Well I finally took it out and it really "p'd" me off.
Heres the setup. I have what I believe to be Burrus 2 Piece Trumount bases (came with the gun when I bought it used), Burrus rings....I think, and the Scope is a Centerpoint 4-16X40 Milldot. Now before you trash the scope I've had it on another rifle and it was dead on.

Here's the problem. I put the target out at 100yrds and tried to sight it in. The total target width is about 2 feet wide. I began to fire and didn't print a thing....Wondering why I decided to bring the target in to 25yrds and sight it in like an M4. I did so and was still missing.... I did notice it was hitting dirt way left...Finally. Here's the thing that has blown my mind. I moved the windage Right untill I ran out of adjustment.......It was still hitting 1ft left....Very mad at that point I unloaded it and put it back in the case.

Here's the question.....How in the hell do I go about fixing this. Im pretty sure even a "shot out" barrel would not shoot 2-2 1/2' to the left. The barrel looks to be excellent shape. What I think I will start with is Fixed 2-pc or 1pc bases and solid Burris rings. What do you guys think??? This is the first time I have been this stumped by a rifle.....

 

[Picher]

I'm not familiar with the mounts you have, but it's possible that they're not seated well on the bases. Check to see if the mount is seated properly on the bases, and tight.

Next, check visually from the muzzle end and see if the scope seems aligned with the barrel. If not, try to find out what the problem may be. It could be mis-aligned holes in the receiver. That's not likely, but possible.

Pull the bolt out, clamp the rifle in a vise, if possible and point the bore at a distant object that is big enough to be visable. Look through the scope to see where it's looking in relation to the bore and whether the image moves toward the object as the scope is adjusted. If not, turn the adjustments in the opposite direction. If it still fails to adjust toward the direction necessary, replace the scope.

If the replacement scope also doesn't adjust to the bore sight, there's something wrong with the scope alignment and you may need to see a gunsmith. I'd personally look at the screw alignment to assure they're pointing in the right direction.

JP

 

[kludge]

I bore sight the non technical way - put the gun in a rest, take the bolt out, and look down the barrel. I haven't missed the paper yet at 50 yd.

I also use Leupold mounts almost exclusively - I have the one-piece mounts on my 110FP (that would be my recommendation). They also have windage adjustment in the mount.

 

[jpwilly]

bore sight the non technical way - put the gun in a rest, take the bolt out, and look down the barrel. I haven't missed the paper yet at 50 yd.

same here, I must be getting good at it too. My last time out with new base and scope on my Savage 10 I was 4 inches away from the bullseye at 100yrds on first shot.

Op,

You can do this at home to but you'll need something steady to rest the rifle in. Take out the bolt look down the bore at a distant target center it in the bore without moving the rifle look through the scope...where are the cross hairs? I generally can do this at home by looking at a distant street light out the patio door then adjust the scopes cross hairs to the target. This will help you discover a problem prior to a range trip. If you cannot get the scope to zero with respect to looking down the bore something is out of alignment.

 

[mshootnit]

On my 110fp I mounted a B-Square one piece base, Warne Maxima rings and a Weaver 3-9X38. No problems, shot nickel sized groups at 100 yards.

 

[ThePunisher'sArmory]

See the bases I'm using are just like the Leupold described above. I think the windage adjustment is causing all of my problems. Ill try the boresight method above before I get new rings though. The bases and rings that came with it are solid......But I may end up replacing them anyway. Thanks for the input so far.

 

[PedalBiker]

I had that problem with a Savage 110. I went with Burris Signature rings. I used the max offset in both front and rear rings and it put the scope about center.


I rebarreled it later found and at least some of the offset was from the barrel, but the scope adjustments are sufficient to compensate for the barrel swaps so I don't change the scope ring offset.

 

[wingman]

Had same problem with a new Savage model 12 purchased over a year ago (223) different scopes multi able mounts nothing worked,returned rifle to Savage they installed new barrel and when I received gun it took 3 rounds to place on point of impact it now shoots under .500, IMO savage had a few out the door with some problems. Someone who had your gun previously was having difficulty and decided to past it on.

You can correct the problem with windage mounts and Burris signature zee rings however it's like putting paint over a rusting car to me.

 

[ThePunisher'sArmory]

Well guys thanks alot. I just got home from work today and adjusted the scope back to what I think was factory zero. I then did the "non-technical" bore sight. The bore was dead on a target at about 50yrds and the scope was pointing about 2 feet to the left. I then adjusted the windage on the rear base till the crosshairs coincided with the bore. I think this pretty much did the trick. We'll see at the next range trip. I do agree 100% this is "like putting paint on a rusting car" But it will be a cheap fix for now. I need to save money.....but moreover I would hate wasting it on new parts I don't really need. I will be using this bore sighting method from now on......To think I almost bought one of those laser boresighters also. As long as my eyes work well this is a far superior, and cheaper method

Someone who had your gun previously was having difficulty and decided to past it on.

I think your spot on with this. However I love to tinker and fix things. I'll get this thing running right!!! Plus I got a real good deal on it.

 

[Jim Watson]

Glad you figured it out, those are windage adjustable bases after all.
Originally designed by Redfield before scopes had centered reticles so you could get the windage about right in the base and only use the scope adjustment for small moves.

 

[Flatbush Harry]

I used Leupy 2 pc. bases with windage adjustment in the bases...no prob getting bore-sighted with the scope in mechanical zero. It got me on paper, 4" low and 6" left, on my Savage 116. 23 clicks up and 24 clicks right and I was 1-3/4" high at 100 yds, dead center, just where I want to be for a 200 yd zero with my .30-06.

FH

As a BTW, my local range has a yellow triangular deer crossing sign we all use to bore sight. Always good for a chuckle.

 

[jpwilly]

Sweet, easy fix!

 

[joed]

I prefer the Leupold bases with the windage adjustment. Before I do anything I reset the scope by counting the number of clicks from stop to stop, divide by 2 and set it at that. I use an old bore sighter that I've owned for 34 years and set the windage dead center.

I know you don't have a bore sighter but it was money well spent. Not even sure what they cost now.