Scopes: Leatherwood Hi Lux vs NC Star vs

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I need a long eye relief rifle scope for a scout rifle. The choices are minimal. My question is what's the real difference in a Letherwood Scope compared to NC Star and Leapers? They are all made in China, the Leatherwood doesn't appear to be any different.
They are all low end scopes but the Leatherwood 3x the cost of the others.
 
Leupold and Burris will beat the three you mentioned. I now have a Leupold awaiting to be put on a "heavy" scout rifle. The optic is extremely light, and the glass is ok, haven't tested it yet. The scope is their FX-II IER 2.5x28mm, think that is the proper designation.

Leupold is make in Oregon, glass might be Chineese, though I am not sure.

Seriously... look at Leupold or Burris over those three. Leupold even makes a $600 scout scope that is a 1-4 variable with illumination if thats what you desire.

Edit to add: I paid $366 for the Leupold 2.5x28 and a pair of their QRW 1" rings. Thats not a terrible amount of money to spend for a good optic (best scout optic?) and a quality pair of quick detatch rings. This of course includes Leupolds incredible warranty.

Not trying to sell the Leupold to you, but you get what you pay for, most of the time, when it comes to optics.
 
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Honestly if those are your only choices, just go with irons until you can afford something decent (i.e. at least the Burris, if not the Leupold). There are some things you can get away with cheaping out on, but glass isn't one of them. I've been down that road plenty, and always ended up regretting it.
 
god forbid you have trouble with the hilux,i had one of the 3x long tube scopes and it was junk and never did get fixed right. leupold does cost more,but if you ever have a problem with it you can be sure it will be fixed or replaced.i sent a older model scope(4.5x14-52lps) back to leupold for a check up and a going over, they didn,t repair it but called me and offered me my choice of three other new scopes, i choose a 4.5x14 with 30mm tube with side focus and the TDS turret vx111,so after useing the other scope for 12 years i recieved a new 800.00 scope(lp115238) for it. try that with hilux-nc star. eastbank.
 

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I'll go back and check them out. I was at a gun show this yesterday and the guy told me Burris didn't have a LER Rifle scope.
 
I have $50 NCstar 2-7x long eye relief scopes on a couple of Mosin Nagants I can reliably hit the gong at 600 yards. At 800 about one out of three times. If I juiced up my powder so that it wasn't dropping through transonic in that range, I think I would do better. 7x is not all that great at 800 yards, but it does work

It's not how much you pay for them, it's how much experience you have using them. Experience as a fun thing to get!
 
Certain models of Aimpoint and Eotech are made in China, too, but that doesn't mean they are junk. China factories are no different than ones anywhere else - they build to order, the maker sets the specs and QC delivers.

Most Americans would be surprised at the large number of speed parts now made in China, and yet we keep breaking records and setting the bar higher. A blanket condemnation of that one country of origin hasn't worked out well in the past, either. IN the day nobody thought the Japanese could make anything of quality, at the same time that Gerber was importing the blade for the MkII carried in combat in Vietnam. A soldier serving there soon discovered that Seiko made great watches and many wore theirs back for decades.

Still, we all "know" that Japanese stuff is low quality same as it always has been, just like it was in the day. Riiiight. Same for China. You get what you pay for.

In this case I would buy Aimpoint or Eotech made in China red dots, a scout rifle is a 200 yard gun and they will work fine.
 
if they have a over the counter replacement,i might be temped try one, but i don,t think so. a friend bought a nc red dot at dunhams and mounted it on his turkey shotgun and it lasted all of nine shots,(they did return his money) i have a old 3000 aimpoind red dot made in sweden(it was not cheap when bought years ago,but it still works as it should) i gave him to use and it is still going strong after being sighted in and used by him to bag two turkeys. its your dime buy what suits you. but i,ll admit i,m in for the long haul with the optic,s i buy and look for service if needed after the sale. eastbank.
 

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There may be such a thing as good Chinese glass... I haven't seen it myself, but I'm not saying that it isn't out there... just that Leatherwood ain't it.

A scout rifle is mostly a hunting rifle. Animals come out in low light -- pre-dawn or dusk. Cheap Chinese glass like Leatherwood's sucks in low light.

I personally suspect their durability as well since I had a Leatherwood scope break after less than 100 rounds on my M-14. That was a different model (the CMR, not the Scout) but also doesn't make me want to take a chance on another of their scopes or recommend them to others.

Still, the main reason to skip them is their glass.
 
Leupold readily admits their glass is made by other companies, to their specifications. An American manufacturer doesn't exist that can meet their needs. They don't rule out Chinese origin of their lenses, but that doesn't mean they use them, either. It is likely they source them from so many locations they can't say where.

Most glass is coming from the Orient, with a very small contingent in the US and Europe.

As much of optical quality comes from the shape/construction of the glass and the coatings they use as the manufacturing abilities of a country. Shoddy craftsmanship is shoddy craftsmanship, but a lens designed to meet an extremely low price point (like NC Star) will never be good, regardless if it's made in China, the US, or the fires of Mount Doom.
 
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Honestly if those are your only choices, just go with irons until you can afford something decent (i.e. at least the Burris, if not the Leupold). There are some things you can get away with cheaping out on, but glass isn't one of them. I've been down that road plenty, and always ended up regretting it.
I never regretted buying a cheap scope but regretted buying expensive one being I could hardly see a difference in them. Wayne Von Zwoll who I think is the only honest gun writer left said while testing new zeiss tera scope that $100 scopes now yield images superior to the best scopes from just a few years ago but it is your money
 
China can make good products. Most people don't have quality issues with Apple products. That said, I have yet to run into an optic made in China that equaled a bottom end Japan built optic. In fact, every Chinese made optic I've bought has been a let down. You may not always get what you pay for, but you certainly don't get more with any Chinese made and assembled optic I've seen.

I wouldn't doubt the glass in Leupold's bottom line scopes come from China. They aren't amazing to look through. But they do carry Leupold's warranty and are built and serviced in the US. If a Chinese built optic goes bad, you simply get another. Even with a lifetime warranty, spending $25 in shipping on a $50 scope that breaks in another year is a bad deal. Ignoring glass quality, which I've found is much nicer with the bottom priced Japan optics, things like turret feel, turret travel/repeatability/precision, AO/magnification adjustment, eye relief and eye placement sensitivity, eye strain, etc all are better on the $300+ range non-China made optics. The entire package is better in every way.

All optics will break at some point. Even the well respected brands have issues now and then. Overall, there is a clear performance difference up to the $300-$500 price point(depending on features). Over that you typically see diminishing returns. In my experience, a $300 Leupold/Burris/Nikon is more than 3x nicer than a $100 Chinese made option. While I'm all for a bargain, I'll never go back to the bottom priced optics. There isn't one I've had (and I've had a bunch) that left me satisfied after a year worth of use. If money was real tight, I'd rather not shoot while saving for a $300 scope rather than buy a $100-$150 Chinese made optic.
 
There are plenty of good scopes out there. My $50 ncstar mounted on a mosin nagant is still going strong after may be 5 to 700 rounds. I've got the swift on a benchrest gun that is also doing fine. I have several center points from Walmart, two deer in the freezer thanks to them. Also several wild boar. The Centerpoint on my 7 mm 08 easily guides me to the gong at 800 yards. It probably has well over 500, maybe 1000 rounds on it. I guess if all you can get is what you pay for, I'm one of the luckiest men on earth. It's a shame I don't believe in playing the lottery!
 
I guess I've just gotten a lot farther by spending money on a quality barrel than I have by spending money on a high dollar scope. I've spent a bunch of money on powder primer and dies, and I think that money was better spent. Learning how to control neck tension, how to get good concentricity, and repeatable bullet seating, those things were worth their weight in gold to me. They cost time and effort, and money that was saved by using less than stellar scopes.

With what some guys can hit with Peep sights, I sure can't complain that my scope is my weak point! Elsewhere on this site is the record of a gentleman knocking off a balloon at 1000 yards with a 9 mm. What he's got, I will probably never equal, and I don't think a scope had anything to do with it

I was shooting beside a feller with a really expensive set up the other month, and he was trying to hit a target at four or 500 yards, and had no clue what to do. He had a boatload more money in his Remington than I had in my hundred $80 mosin plus scope. I know a bunch of you guys could've helped him, but I turned out to be the guy sitting there watching this circus. So I looked through his scope at a known 100 yard target, calculated what was a MOA on his scope, did some simple ballistics that all of you could've done, and told him where to put his 500 yard target on his scope. Having wasted more than half a box of ammunition, he hit it on the very next shot. He thought I walked on water.

No, but quality reloading experience or quality trigger time is worth more than expensive scopes.
 
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Low end scopes simply are not durable enough for any kind of sustained use. If they were, they would cost a lot more.

There is a lot more to scope construction than the glass, the weak point in most low end optics, is consistent tracking.

If you want a long eye relief optic, you may be better served with a red dot. There are many decent ones for under $200 and they tend to be more durable than scopes in the same price range.
 
I'll be sure to tell that to the inexpensive scopes on my 7 mm08 Mosin-Nagant AR 10, and ar 15, and 50 BMG. The stupid critters just refused to break! Maybe if I talk really cross to them, they will listen to reason!
 
I'm a cheapskate when it comes to target ranges also. There's a 200 yard free public range I use a lot. I love it when they're a bunch of guys there with expensive rifles and expensive scopes going pow pow pow at 50 yards.
I bet you guys don't do that, right? So I pull out my $180 Mosin-Nagant with the cheapie cheapie cheapie scope, and go to work at 200 yards. Sometimes I pull out my whack a mole set and load some rounds right there in front of them, and a bunch of those guys usually are fascinated to learn how to reload ammunition.
 
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