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I came across some surplus ammo I'd never seen before the other day. The gunshop guy said it was Serbian. It came in a green sealed pack, similar to the South African battle packs, but it was green instead of brown and held 200 rds. It has ".308 Winchester 145 grs 200 rds" stenciled in yellow on the front, I'm assuming that was put there by the importer. I bought two (probably at inflated prices, the guy's not known for his deals) just in case.

Does anyone know anything about this ammo? Is it any good? Will it blow up like some of the Indian supposedly will? Is it really Serbian? I wouldn't have thought they would be using 7.62 NATO. How's it compare to some of the other surplus stuff?
 
Haven't shot it, but I have seen it at stores around here. Haven't heard anything bad about it, which, if it wasn't any good, I would have heard.
 
Indian Ammo blowing up? :uhoh:
Where have you seen that?

BTW Serbian should be simillar to Privi Partizan...
 
"Serbia may not be the biggest country, but it's not necessarily similar to Prvi Partisan."

Huh? PriviPartizan IS Serbian ammo.
 
Huh? PriviPartizan IS Serbian ammo.
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And American Ammunition is American ammo (they even named it that!). Does this necessarily mean that Winchester, Federal, Speer, etc., are all the exact same thing as AMERC?

Except for Serbia, it'd be more like the opposite. Prvi Partizan is great stuff. But was Prvi contracted to make Serbia's military ammunition, or was it some Serbian munitions factory that we haven't heard of, which may not produce the same quality stuff as Prvi?
 
I believe Ryan's point is that any ammunition made in Serbia might not necessarily have been manufactured by Prvi. Prvi is good stuff - does anyone know of another ammo-plant in Serbia?

Mumbles, have you had a look at the headstamp yet?
 
Prvi Partizan ammo is Serbian ammo, therefore all Serbian ammo is Prvi Partizan.

That's what you're saying.

What I have been saying the whole time is that not all Serbian ammo is necessarily Prvi.

How is that so hard to understand?

FEDERAL AMMO IS MANUFACTURED IN THE COUNTRY OF AMERICA, THEREFORE, WINCHESTER IS THE SAME AS FEDERAL.
 
Ryan,
Your posts are not clear at all, and you have totally miss-read what I have posted. I have no idea what you are saying at all, and it makes no sense to me.
All I am saying is that Privi is a Serbian manufacturer. Feel free to interpret that any way you choose.
 
No, I haven't looked at the headstamp yet. I'm keeping it sealed until I get my guns back (they're in PA, I'm in WA), all I've got with me is a couple 1911s and a broken Ishapore 2A (at the gunsmith now). I'll resurect the thread when (if) I open the pack.
 
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Ryan,
Your posts are not clear at all, and you have totally miss-read what I have posted. I have no idea what you are saying at all, and it makes no sense to me.
All I am saying is that Privi is a Serbian manufacturer. Feel free to interpret that any way you choose.
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I give up :D
 
Some of you have serious problems with the English language, I think. Mumbles said he was told it was Serbian, and his description fits the Privi Partizan ammo I have and shoot regularly. I confirmed that both his clues fit Privi ammo and that it's good ammo. Nothing confusing there.
Then foolishness started.
Try reading carefully before arguing about geography and making rediculous inferences that don't exist.

Mumbles, good luck with your excellent ammo.


"And American Ammunition is American ammo (they even named it that!). Does this necessarily mean that Winchester, Federal, Speer, etc., are all the exact same thing as AMERC?
Except for Serbia, it'd be more like the opposite. Prvi Partizan is great stuff. But was Prvi contracted to make Serbia's military ammunition, or was it some Serbian munitions factory that we haven't heard of, which may not produce the same quality stuff as Prvi?
"Prvi Partizan ammo is Serbian ammo, therefore all Serbian ammo is Prvi Partizan.
That's what you're saying.
What I have been saying the whole time is that not all Serbian ammo is necessarily Prvi.
How is that so hard to understand?
FEDERAL AMMO IS MANUFACTURED IN THE COUNTRY OF AMERICA, THEREFORE, WINCHESTER IS THE SAME AS FEDERAL."

These statements make absolutely no sense, and are totally irrelevant to anything I said. Good luck to any of you who choose to devine a silk purse from that sow's ear.
Good night.
 
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No, jonny - what you said is that, because Prvi is Serbian - which it is and nobody's disagreeing - all Serbian ammo must be Prvi, which is a logical fallacy.

It's like saying KFC is chicken - therefore all chicken is KFC. See what we're saying? ;)

Damn me for not leaving well enough alone :D
 
Anyway, I decided to see if there are any other ammo factories in Serbia. No definite leads, but there are a ton of different manufacturers that were located in former Yugoslavia (of which Serbia is maybe 1/4th of the land area). How many are in Serbia, I dunno, but given that this stuff is surplus, it could have been made by any of them, and just happened to end up in a warehouse that ended up in Serbia once the borders were drawn.

Going by headstamp, since not all of these manufacturer names are even known, we got all of these made in former Yugoslavia:

11 (Prvi)
AT3 (unknown)
BT3 (unknown)
EIGN (unknown)
FOMU (Prvi)
IK (Igman Zavod)
ППУ ("pay pay uhh," Prvi as we know it today)
ПГ ("pay gay," POBEDA, made in present-day Bosnia)
PKI (unknown)
SMP (unknown)

So that's 7 other possible manufacturers that were located in former Yugoslavia, any of which (other than POBEDA) could be in modern day Serbia, and any of which who could have made ammo that might be sitting in a Serbian warehouse.

Check the headstamp, and you'll know for sure whether Prvi made it.
 
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#1 - Andy, again, learn to read carefully; I said Privi is Serbian, nowhere saying that all Serbian is Privi. You guys started the crap-ball rolling with your misinterpretation.

#2 - Ryan, I would add 2 to your listing:
12 = Igman
14 = Pobjeda Gorazde, Bosnia.
 
You need to learn not to take things personally, if you don't understand them and they aren't even directed at you.

You say Prvi is Serbian. I say, to the original poster, not to you, that he shouldn't assume the ammo is Prvi just because it's Serbian. Then you managed to somehow misinterpret that, and basically made yourself look like you're incapable of understanding the concept of Serbian ammo that's made by someone other than Prvi.

How does "not all Serbian ammo is necessarily made by Prvi" require you to re-state, over and over again, that Prvi is made in Serbia? No one has said otherwise. All we've had are two people posting that there may be other companies in Serbia making ammo, and you repeating "Prvi is Serbian!" Now how are non-telepaths supposed to interpret that?

All I can say is, boy, those lead paint chips must have been tasty.
 
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Unbelievable. Reread the thread and think again. Learn to read and write clearly.
I will not revisit this concluded thread.
 
jonnyc, I can speak, read and write English quite fluently, I assure you. You plainly misunderstood what Ryan was getting at and made an error of logic - we've tried to explain but it's apparent that it's not getting through to you.

I support Ryan in his argument and I'm now done with this thread - carry on.
 
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