Serious question - public restrooms

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They are selling adult diapers at MidwayUSA just for this problem.
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Yep, unscabbord and rest it in the hammock you've created by dropping trou and having a seat. Oh, and yes, the "handicapped" stool is the cadillac of the poopin stools.
 
I'll reiterate that I don't like drawing or handling the weapon at all once it's loaded and holstered for the day. Even if it has to be removed and stored to be put back on later, I like to see folks remove the entire package, gun still in holster. That's a huge step to reducing NDs.

Everyone, of course, is perfectly safe. But we stay perfectly safe through layered safety practices, and not drawing your loaded weapon multiple times per day -- in public places, no less -- is one of the primary layers of the safety plan.
 
Jeeze, I usually just hang it by the trigger guard on the coat hook on the door, if there is one. Either that, or set it on the paper dispenser it it has a large enough flat top. Or the hammock method. I carry a 1911 C&L, it ain't gonna go off hanging on the coat hook.
 
I usually just hang it by the trigger guard on the coat hook on the door,
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<CRINGE> Would you stand in that bathroom with the gun in your hand and your FINGER in the trigger guard of your loaded pistol? NO? Of course not. That would be incredibly unsafe.

But you'll put some other foreign object into the trigger guard of your loaded weapon? Something that it is not designed to accommodate?

This is why I am so adamant about leaving firearms IN THE HOLSTER. When we draw them and try to find some place to put them, we find crazy "solutions" that are really frightening when viewed through a more objective lens.
 
This is another reason i like paddle holsters. Easy on/off. And i agree with the above posters the gun shouldnt be pulled unless you are going to shoot/maintain it. Mine stays in the holster whilst being carried.
 
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<CRINGE> Would you stand in that bathroom with the gun in your hand and your FINGER in the trigger guard of your loaded pistol? NO? Of course not. That would be incredibly unsafe.

But you'll put some other foreign object into the trigger guard of your loaded weapon? Something that it is not designed to accommodate?

This is why I am so adamant about leaving firearms IN THE HOLSTER. When we draw them and try to find some place to put them, we find crazy "solutions" that are really frightening when viewed through a more objective lens.
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He's joking Sam. Come on. :scrutiny:
 
If I'm concealed carrying, I usually hang it on the coat hanger hook after clearing it.

If I'm open carrying, I let it fall

*swyped from the evo so excuse any typos*
 
No, I'm not joking. If there's a secure coathook on the door, I'll hang my compact 1911 there. A loose floppy hook, no. The hook only contacts the front of the triggerguard, doesn't come anywhere near the trigger. Any pistol hung by the triggerguard will hang upside down, try it. The safety is engaged, it's NOT going to fire, it's NOT going to fall, and I'm NOT going to drop it.

Now all of you that want to flip out and wag your fingers at me, just save it. If I didn't feel it was safe, I wouldn't do it. I've been handling firearms for 50 years. I'm not going to tremble in fear every time I pick up a pistol, I know how to handle them and what makes them go bang. I fully respect them and know what I'm doing. I know how to unholster it, handle it, and reholster it without wreaking havoc.

I'm only taking a nature break, I'm not waving it around in a crowd. And I damn sure don't plan to sit prepared for a gunfight while in a restroom stall. The question was about "what do you do with your pistol while in a public restroom stall", and this is what I do. If this bothers you, well, too bad.

There's safe gun handling, and there's outright paranoia of them, which some folks seem to be bordering on. If you think hanging a pistol on a small, secure hook for a few minutes is dangerous or you think you might be attacked while doing your thing, well, you just might be paranoid. And frankly, paranoid people worry me. Try hanging a cocked & locked 1911 on a hook sometime, you'll live through it just fine, I promise.
 
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No, I'm not joking. If there's a secure coathook on the door, I'll hang my compact 1911 there. A loose floppy hook, no. The hook only contacts the front of the triggerguard, doesn't come anywhere near the trigger. Any pistol hung by the triggerguard will hang upside down, try it. The safety is engaged, it's NOT going to fire, it's NOT going to fall, and I'm NOT going to drop it.
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Disagree intensely, nothing goes inside the trigger guard until the sights are on the target. I don't particularly care how many times you haven't had an ND doing that it's still an unsafe practice
 
Well, you're entitled to your opinions and rights, and so am I. I sure get tired of people saying my opinions are wrong, and their rights override mine.
 
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Well, you're entitled to your opinions and rights, and so am I. I sure get tired of people saying my opinions are wrong, and their rights override mine.
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I never said your opinion was wrong I said "I disagree" and that I feel it is an unsafe practice.

Both of those statement can be 100% true without anyone being wrong
 
Disagree intensely, nothing goes inside the trigger guard until the sights are on the target. I don't particularly care how many times you haven't had an ND doing that it's still an unsafe practice
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Well, my point before was about multiple layers of safety...

Everyone, of course, is perfectly safe. But we stay perfectly safe through layered safety practices, and not drawing your loaded weapon multiple times per day -- in public places, no less -- is one of the primary layers of the safety plan.
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So what are the layers of safety?

Well, I can think of several:
1) Don't draw/handle your gun once it's loaded and holstered.
2) Employ whatever safety devices your gun has.
3) Keep your muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
4) Don't ever allow anything in the trigger guard unless you need to shoot.

So, if you draw your gun (1), put a metal hook through the trigger guard (4), and let it hang, pointing whichever way it wants to in a public place (3), at least you've still got one layer of safety in place.

If I didn't feel it was safe, I wouldn't do it.
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One layer of protection is sufficient to provide Ron with a feeling of safety. He is brave. But, of course, the muzzle isn't pointing at him.

I'm a big timid scaredy cat and willfully defeating several of my habitual safety procedures makes me go all lily-livered. I'm probably a coward, but the thought of having a negligent discharge and possibly killing someone due (especially) to a really pointless practice of questionable convenience really scares me.

I sure get tired of people saying my opinions are wrong,
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Ron, I feel for you and I'm sorry to have called you out in public. Nobody likes being told they are wrong, and these days it is important to affirm that everyone's opinions are true in their own way. It can be tiresome, at best(!), to have someone claim that you are not upholding responsible safety "best practices." It's uncomfortable and embarrassing to have someone else accuse you of making poor choices of any kind, especially with basic safety practices, let alone for them to claim that your cavalier behavior endangers the lives of others. I certainly understand why you'd be irked.
 
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There have been at least a couple of documented reports of LEOs hanging pistols on the a coat hook that resulted in multiple NDs when they tried to take it off the hook. Gun fired, person reacts and starts a sequence where the hook is bounced back and forth inside the trigger guard causing the gun to fire until the person stopped fighting the hook or the gun ran dry. I think hanging a loaded pistol on a hook through the triggerguard is a VERY bad idea. Plus the fact that most of the hooks I have seen were about to fall off the door or were secured by one stripped out screw. You really can't judge how solid it is by looking at it. Imagine having the weight of your rig pulling it off and crashing to the floor. I would either keep the gun on my person or place it on the floor. That's where it wants to go anyway due to gravity. You have to consider the worst case scenario when dealing with loaded firearms. Remember the U.S. Air pilot whose weapon discharged because of the idiotic TSA holster he was required to use that places a big padlock THROUGH the trigger guard? I would bet that everyone at the TSA thought that was a perfectly safe practice also. Right up until they found out otherwise. Paranoia is actually a good thing regarding loaded guns.
 
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Assuming you are wearing a belt holster, lower your pants, as you do, take the elastic of your underwear up over the grip of the gun.

This keeps the gun in the holster as you proceed with your business and keeps it handy should you have visitors.

When your finished, stand up, raise your britches and remove the elastic waist band of your underwear as you do.

You gun has remained in place, and handy.

The first time may seem a bit awkward, but it works.
 
Just crap your pants. You wont even need a gun for self defense. No one will come near you. Problem solved.
 
I am very, shall we say, "regular". As such this almost never becomes an issue w/ me.

Both of the time I recall having had this issue there was a shelf in the stall that I was able to use. FWIW I prefer DA/SA semi autos so the safety isn't an issue.

What I do not understand is how anyone can be so complacent with their sidearm that they would forget they laid it down in the time it takes to have a BM. This may be a result of my military training where you were expected to never let the weapon out of your site.
I seem to remember in BCT that we were even required to find another recruit to guard our Brown Bess when we entered the latrine.
 
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