ok, ok, if the old farts are voting, I gotta be in here. Either W231 or Clays (not universal clays) work just dandy, meter well and bulk enough to see easily in a .45acp brass. They both shoot fairly clean for outdoors, and I happen to be using Berrys 200g. plated SWC, and the freebie Hornady 230g jacketed HP I got with the press and dies. Winchester LP primers.