should i buy this sks? (CA)

[silverlance]

found a guy selling an sks (which is about as good as we can do in cali in terms of battle rifles for under $1500). seems all right of a deal, but then i noticed that the muzzle break at the end of the barrel is quit eclearly a flash hider.

i dogged about for a while trying to figure if this is legal in ca or not. as far as i can see, it should be - after all, there is neither a pistol grip, detach mag, or (in the case of this particular rifle, which has been modified) a bayonet, either.

i'm thinking of buying it for $180. it's an sks with the following:

ati monte stock (probably uncomfortable, but i can change)
leapers mount
simmons 4x scope
flash hider pinned on
bipod hanging off of bayonet lug

this is an old sks, probably in early 80s.

what do you folks think?

 

[EvisceratorSrB]

I don't believe SKS were manufactured in the 80's. The Yugo SKS 59/66 was the last one, and I believe it was kaput in the early 70's (don't quote me). I have a Yugo SKS and it has a muzzle brake on it. Are you talking about the 59 model?

 

[fal 4 me]

If you like it and it is legal, go for it. I have a Yugo SKS 59/66 and love it.

EvisceratorSrB, I think the SKS is still manufactured in someplaces of the world. We can't get them because of our wonderful government regulations. Every once in a while I punish myself by checing out Marstar of Canada's website http://www.marstar.ca/, and though currently out of stock now, they list a Norinco SKS for $139 Canadian ($125 US).

 

[Limeyfellow]

If its one of the Cali legal ones you sure its not a muzzle break? Thats the usual way to make them legal there to permently attach it to the rifle in a replacement of the grenade launcher that normally comes with the Yugo SKS.

 

[railroader]

It sounds chinese with a pin on muzzle brake. Are going to buy it face to face locally? If not shipping and transfer will raise the price quite a bit. Also receiver cover scope mounts aren't known for holding zero very well. Mark

 

[MachIVshooter]

which is about as good as we can do in cali in terms of battle rifles for under $1500

M-1 Garands are $1,500 in CA!!?!?!? They run $600-$900 here in CO, with the Completely re-arsenaled (like new) Springfields going at ~$1,100.

FYI, the SKS is not a battle rifle. Battle rifles use full-power rifle cartridges of 50mm or more in case length. Mausers, Enfields, Arisakas, M1903s, M1s, BM-59's, etc. are battle rifles. 7.62x39mm is an intermediate cartridge, regardless of what it's chambered in.

 

[quiknot]

russian 7.62mm

i have this old russian 7.62mm carbine bolt action, bought back in the early 70's....

back then i had to get russian 7.2mm ammo ( told the russian 7.62mm was slightly different then normal 7.62mm).....question is, are the sloviak 7.62mm the same ammo as the russian 7.62mm? or do i still need to get russian ammo?

thanks

 

[Limeyfellow]

The SKS is classified as a Carbine. Pretty much what the name means. Samozaryadnyi Karabin Sistemi Simonova Obrazets 1945 or Simonov's self-loading carbine system model 1945 in English.

Of course its rather heavy and large for your typical carbine.

 

[BoySetsTheFire]

You can buy the M1 Garand for about $400 from the CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program). This is the classic arm used in WWII and Korea. It is chambered in 30.06.

And the SKS is a great gun. I have one and would not part with it.

 

[MachIVshooter]

You can buy the M1 Garand for about $400 from the CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program). This is the classic arm used in WWII and Korea. It is chambered in 30.06.

You have to be a member for those.

back then i had to get russian 7.2mm ammo ( told the russian 7.62mm was slightly different then normal 7.62mm).....question is, are the sloviak 7.62mm the same ammo as the russian 7.62mm? or do i still need to get russian ammo?

There are basically two 7.62mm Soviet rifle cartridges you will encounter in the U.S. There is the 7.62x54Rmm (also 7.62x53Rmm) that is chambered in the Mosin-Nagants and NDM, SVD, Dragonuvs, etc. Then there is the 7.62x39mm for SKS and AK.

Eastern/Soviet 7.62mm rounds differ from Western (NATO) 7.62mm in that bullet diameter is .311" or .312", vs. .308" for Western stuff (save the .303 Brit.). Of course, this is only of concern to handloaders.

 

[ocabj]

You have to be a member for those.

There are 4 main requirements:

1. US Citizen

2. 18 years of age or older

3. Member in CMP affiliated organization.

4. Marksmanship or firearms related activity

http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/eligibility_requirements.htm

Most people just join the GCA for $25 a year and the firearms activity requirement is easy to fulfill. I used my C&R license.

If you haven't been buying your Garands from the CMP, you have been missing out.

If you see any Garand for sale, it most likely made it's way to the civilian market via the DCM/CMP.

 

[leadcounsel]

Fair price. Buy it you'll love it.

I own 3 Yugos and 1 Chinese, which has a Monte Carlo stock and 4 power scope.

I love the SKS for it's low price, durabilty, reliability, good man stopping and penetrating caliber, and affordability of ammo.

 

[Socrates]

One thing:
I bought a ton of Talon, IIRC, remanufactured ammo, with steel cores. My local range doesn't like this, because, if it's dry, it will cause sparks, if I miss, and start a fire. If the ammunition attracks a magnet, they get upset.

Check for this with milsurp ammo. I need another range... but, I'm in Kali...


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[50 Freak]

Back to the original question.

I believe if that SKS has a Flash Hider then it is not legal to own. If it is a muzzle brake then it's okay with no problem.

 

[ocabj]

Oh, the original post.

Read this: http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/regagunfaqs.htm#1

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/genchar.htm

Section 12276.1 is a bit longer, but the following is the most commonly referred to piece:

12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.

A stock SKS like the Russian or Yugo M59 is legal if it has a flash supressor, as long as it does not have more than one of the characteristics above.

But, if you have been paying attention to recent CA DoJ developments, they are trying to redefine what "capactiy to accept a detachable magazine means". Go to Calguns.net if you aren't already reading that forum.

 

[silverlance]

update

well i won the auction. (whee!)

www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=54670939

It's a chinese norinco sks:

* w/ ati monty stock
* leapers chinese mount (from the pics it seems like the gun has been drilled and tapped on the reciever itself)
* simmons 4x28 scope
* 10rnd non detch mag
* flash supp
* bayon removed, bipod that attaches to lug included
* original cover and spike bayon included

- I still think it's a battle rifle in the sense that it was a weapon made to be a country's military's main infantry weapon (there's a mouthful). I don't really see how caliber has to do with that, since by the def ar15s and aks would not be battle rifles. but i see your point, perhaps battle rifles are something that the current militaries of the world have moved away from in favor of smaller and lighter. I suppose that means carbines - however, one really has to stretch the definition of carbine to include the sks given its length and weight.

- accuracy is not really an issue for me with this rifle. this will be my intermediate rifle slot - if i'm going to be shooting any two legged critters it will most likely be within no more than 100 yards or so. minute of nazi is all that matters in that event. besides, unless something really strange happens in a SHTF scenario i won't be clopping up and down the street, but hiding in my backyard instead with my benelli.

- m1 garands: i couldnt figure out how to join a gun association, but now that someone has mentioned GCA, i'm a fool for not having realized that sooner! does anyone know how the GCA membership works? ill go do a webserch for it in a sec. $400 for an m1 is awesome! incidentally, do you think i can use my C&R to get it from CMP direct? man, you guys are going to make me spend more money again!

 

[ocabj]

Just go to the GCA website and print out the membership form, fill it out, and mail it along with a check. They'll report your membership on a list to the CMP.

Yes, your C&R can satisfy the 4th requirement. But even without your C&R, the CMP can still mail a rifle to you direct under Federal law which the CA State law also follows.

 

[silverlance]

did a serach for gca

and i coudlnt' find a GCA website.

I did a search for nra affliated gun collector's associations and i turned up this:

Southern California Arms Collectors Association
MARTIN J. MILLER, JR
P.O. Box 7432
Thousand Oaks, CA 91362
(805) 373-0683

is this what you are talking about?

 

[ocabj]

http://www.thegca.org/

The Garand Collectors Association

 

[mp510]

I don't believe SKS were manufactured in the 80's.

Norinco still makes them.

The California Rifle and Pistol Association is also a CMP affiliated organization, and you would be helping fight the good fight.

 

[silverlance]

=)

rifle and PISTON?

cars and guns, woot, i'm in.

 

[Destructo6]

It's Chinese. CA has a special hatred for Chinese SKSs.

IIRC, all Chinese SKSs had to be registered long ago, even without bayonet lugs/flash hiders/etc. Roberti-Roos, I believe. Like I said, CA has a special hatred for Chinese SKSs.

 

[Stanze]

It's Chinese. CA has a special hatred for Chinese SKSs.

IIRC, all Chinese SKSs had to be registered long ago, even without bayonet lugs/flash hiders/etc. Roberti-Roos, I believe. Like I said, CA has a special hatred for Chinese SKSs

Roberti-Roos banned the SKS w/ detachable mag. This is banned by make and model even though it's SB-23(banned by so-called generic features) compliant. Slightly confusing yes.

Chinese SKS with fixed mags are legal in CA.

CA DOJ is trying to change the law by stating that semi-auto rifles with the capacity to accept a detachable mag are illegal if the mag isn't "permanently" fixed-they won't define permanent. And, if it has SB-23 banned features. So, if they are successful in changing the definition of "fixed mag"(currently a 10 round mag removable by a tool, a bullet qualifies as a tool), this bans bubbafied SKS rifles if the mag isn't "permanent". Slightly confusing yes.

CA DOJ being a anti-gun political group with the authority and power to go out of their way to screw law abiding gun owners in CA even more? Most definitely.