Al Thompson
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Pretty much the way it is here.
Should we have personal interviews, references, training, etc, for gun licenses?
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Pretty much the way it is here.
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I give Warp full credit for re-posting my comments form a pervious link into a new thread.
My definition of "accuracy" would be putting 10 shots in a 12" circle at 25 feet; that's what my gun club requires to allow you on the indoor range. If you're going to be damaging target holders, wire, the ceiling, the walls, the floor, etc. you are not responsible and not welcome to shoot on club members' property.
Now, how is what I am suggesting any different from what, say, South Carolina requires to carry a handgun? Residency requirement, photo ID, completion of a basic handgun course (including live fire, knowledge of the law, and storage), 21 years old, corrected 20/20 vision, fingerprints, background check, personal identifying information on firearms permit, places you cannot carry a firearm, etc. etc.
It's not as simple as going into a store and buying a loaf of bread, then bringing it home in your bicycle basket.
This is from South Carolina's website:
Concealable Weapon permits, definitions, online applications, five-year permits
SECTION 2. A. Section 23-31-210 of the 1976 Code, as last amended by Act 347 of 2006, is further amended to read:
“Section 23-31-210. As used in this article: (1) ‘Resident’ means an individual who is present in South Carolina with the intention of making a permanent home in South Carolina or military personnel on permanent change of station orders. (2) ‘Qualified nonresident’ means an individual who owns real property in South Carolina, but who resides in another state. (3) ‘Picture identification’ means: (a) a valid driver’s license or photographic identification card issued by the state in which the applicant resides; or (b) an official photographic identification card issued by the Department of Revenue, a federal or state law enforcement agency, an agency of the United States Department of Defense, or the United States Department of State. (4) ‘Proof of training’ means an original document or certified copy of the document supplied by an applicant that certifies that he is either:
(a) a person who, within three years before filing an application, has successfully completed a basic or advanced handgun education course offered by a state, county, or municipal law enforcement agency or a nationally recognized organization that promotes gun safety. This education course must include, but is not limited to: (i) information on the statutory and case law of this State relating to handguns and to the use of deadly force; (ii) information on handgun use and safety; (iii) information on the proper storage practice for handguns with an emphasis on storage practices that reduces the possibility of accidental injury to a child; and (iv) the actual firing of the handgun in the presence of the instructor;
For purposes of subitems (a) and (c), ‘proof of training’ is not satisfied unless the organization and its instructors meet or exceed the guidelines and qualifications contained in the regulations promulgated by SLED pursuant to this item.
6) ‘Proof of ownership of real property’ means a certified current document from the county assessor of the county in which the property is located verifying ownership of the real property. SLED must determine the appropriate document that fulfills this requirement.”
B. Section 23-31-215 of the 1976 Code, as last amended by Act 349 of 2008, is further amended to read:
“Section 23-31-215. (A) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, except subject to subsection (B), SLED must issue a permit, which is no larger than three and one-half inches by three inches in size, to carry a concealable weapon to a resident or qualified nonresident who is at least twenty-one years of age and who is not prohibited by state law from possessing the weapon upon submission of: (1) a completed application signed by the person; (2) a photocopy of a driver’s license or photographic identification card; (3) proof of residence or if the person is a qualified nonresident, proof of ownership of real property in this State;
(4) proof of actual or corrected vision rated at 20/40 within six months of the date of application or, in the case of a person licensed to operate a motor vehicle in this State, presentation of a valid driver’s license; (5) proof of training; (6) payment of a fifty-dollar application fee. This fee must be waived for disabled veterans and retired law enforcement officers; and (7) a complete set of fingerprints unless, because of a medical condition verified in writing by a licensed medical doctor, a complete set of fingerprints is impossible to submit. In lieu of the submission of fingerprints, the applicant must submit the written statement from a licensed medical doctor specifying the reason or reasons why the applicant’s fingerprints may not be taken. If all other qualifications are met, the Chief of SLED may waive the fingerprint requirements of this item.
SLED also must conduct a background check of the applicant through notification to and input from the sheriff of the county where the applicant resides or if the applicant is a qualified nonresident, where the applicant owns real property in this State. The sheriff within ten working days after notification by SLED, may submit a recommendation on an application. Before making a determination whether or not to issue a permit under this article, SLED must consider the recommendation provided pursuant to this subsection. If the fingerprint review and background check are favorable, SLED must issue the permit.
SLED shall offer the applicant a handgun training course that satisfies the requirements of Section 23-31-210(4). The course shall cost fifty dollars. SLED shall use the proceeds to defray the training course’s operating costs. If a permit is granted by operation of law because an applicant was not notified of a denial within the ninety-day notification period, the permit may be revoked upon written notification from SLED that sufficient grounds exist for revocation or initial denial.
A permit application form shall require an applicant to supply: (1) name, including maiden name if applicable; (2) date and place of birth; (3) sex; (4) race; (5) height; (6) weight; (7) eye and hair color; (8) current residence address; and (9) all residence addresses for the three years preceding the application date. (F) The permit application form shall require the applicant to certify that: (1) he is not a person prohibited under state law from possessing a weapon; (2) he understands the permit is revoked and must be surrendered immediately to SLED if the permit holder becomes a person prohibited under state law from possessing a weapon; and (3) all information contained in his application is true and correct to the best of his knowledge.
(I) SLED must maintain a list of all permit holders and the current status of each permit. SLED may release the list of permit holders or verify an individual’s permit status only if the request is made by a law enforcement agency to aid in an official investigation, or if the list is required to be released pursuant to a subpoena or court order. SLED may charge a fee not to exceed its costs in releasing the information under this subsection.
(K) A permit holder must have his permit identification card in his possession whenever he carries a concealable weapon. When carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23, a permit holder must inform a law enforcement officer of the fact that he is a permit holder and present the permit identification card when an officer: (1) identifies himself as a law enforcement officer; and (2) requests identification or a driver’s license from a permit holder. A permit holder immediately must report the loss or theft of a permit identification card to SLED headquarters. A person who violates the provisions of this subsection is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined twenty-five dollars.
(M) A permit issued pursuant to this section does not authorize a permit holder to carry a concealable weapon into a: (1) law enforcement, correctional, or detention facility; (2) courthouse or courtroom; (3) polling place on election days; (4) office of or the business meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special purpose district; (5) school or college athletic event not related to firearms; (6) daycare facility or preschool facility; (7) place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law;
(8) church or other established religious sanctuary unless express permission is given by the appropriate church official or governing body; (9) hospital, medical clinic, doctor’s office, or any other facility where medical services or procedures are performed unless expressly authorized by the employer; or (10) place clearly marked with a sign prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon on the premises pursuant to Sections 23-31-220 and 23-31-235.
(N) Valid out-of-state permits to carry concealable weapons held by a resident of a reciprocal state must be honored by this State, provided, that the reciprocal state requires an applicant to successfully pass a criminal background check and a course in firearm training and safety. A resident of a reciprocal state carrying a concealable weapon in South Carolina is subject to and must abide by the laws of South Carolina regarding concealable weapons. SLED shall maintain and publish a list of those states as the states with which South Carolina has reciprocity.
C. Section 16-23-20(9)(a) of the 1976 Code, as last amended by Act 28 of 2007, is further amended to read:
“(a) secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle; however, this item is not violated if the glove compartment, console, or trunk is opened in the presence of a law enforcement officer for the sole purpose of retrieving a driver’s license, registration, or proof of insurance. If the person has been issued a concealed weapons permit pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23, then the person also may secure his weapon under a seat in a vehicle, or in any open or closed storage compartment within the vehicle’s passenger compartment; or”
D. Section 16-23-10(10) of the 1976 Code, as added by Act 294 of 2004, is amended to read:
“(10) ‘Luggage compartment’ means the trunk of a motor vehicle which has a trunk; however, with respect to a motor vehicle which does not have a trunk, the term ‘luggage compartment’ refers to the area of the motor vehicle in which the manufacturer designed that luggage be carried or to the area of the motor vehicle in which luggage is customarily carried. In a station wagon, van, hatchback vehicle, truck, or sport utility vehicle, the term ‘luggage compartment’ refers to the area behind the rearmost seat.”
Time effective
SECTION 3. This act takes effect upon approval by the Governor.
Ratified the 5th day of February, 2014.
Approved the 11th day of February, 2014
My definition of "accuracy" would be putting 10 shots in a 12" circle at 25 feet; that's what my gun club requires to allow you on the indoor range. If you're going to be damaging target holders, wire, the ceiling, the walls, the floor, etc. you are not responsible and not welcome to shoot on club members' property.
Now, how is what I am suggesting any different from what, say, South Carolina requires to carry a handgun? Residency requirement, photo ID, completion of a basic handgun course (including live fire, knowledge of the law, and storage), 21 years old, corrected 20/20 vision, fingerprints, background check, personal identifying information on firearms permit, places you cannot carry a firearm, etc. etc.
It's not as simple as going into a store and buying a loaf of bread, then bringing it home in your bicycle basket.
This is from South Carolina's website:
Concealable Weapon permits, definitions, online applications, five-year permits
SECTION 2. A. Section 23-31-210 of the 1976 Code, as last amended by Act 347 of 2006, is further amended to read:
“Section 23-31-210. As used in this article: (1) ‘Resident’ means an individual who is present in South Carolina with the intention of making a permanent home in South Carolina or military personnel on permanent change of station orders. (2) ‘Qualified nonresident’ means an individual who owns real property in South Carolina, but who resides in another state. (3) ‘Picture identification’ means: (a) a valid driver’s license or photographic identification card issued by the state in which the applicant resides; or (b) an official photographic identification card issued by the Department of Revenue, a federal or state law enforcement agency, an agency of the United States Department of Defense, or the United States Department of State. (4) ‘Proof of training’ means an original document or certified copy of the document supplied by an applicant that certifies that he is either:
(a) a person who, within three years before filing an application, has successfully completed a basic or advanced handgun education course offered by a state, county, or municipal law enforcement agency or a nationally recognized organization that promotes gun safety. This education course must include, but is not limited to: (i) information on the statutory and case law of this State relating to handguns and to the use of deadly force; (ii) information on handgun use and safety; (iii) information on the proper storage practice for handguns with an emphasis on storage practices that reduces the possibility of accidental injury to a child; and (iv) the actual firing of the handgun in the presence of the instructor;
For purposes of subitems (a) and (c), ‘proof of training’ is not satisfied unless the organization and its instructors meet or exceed the guidelines and qualifications contained in the regulations promulgated by SLED pursuant to this item.
6) ‘Proof of ownership of real property’ means a certified current document from the county assessor of the county in which the property is located verifying ownership of the real property. SLED must determine the appropriate document that fulfills this requirement.”
B. Section 23-31-215 of the 1976 Code, as last amended by Act 349 of 2008, is further amended to read:
“Section 23-31-215. (A) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, except subject to subsection (B), SLED must issue a permit, which is no larger than three and one-half inches by three inches in size, to carry a concealable weapon to a resident or qualified nonresident who is at least twenty-one years of age and who is not prohibited by state law from possessing the weapon upon submission of: (1) a completed application signed by the person; (2) a photocopy of a driver’s license or photographic identification card; (3) proof of residence or if the person is a qualified nonresident, proof of ownership of real property in this State;
(4) proof of actual or corrected vision rated at 20/40 within six months of the date of application or, in the case of a person licensed to operate a motor vehicle in this State, presentation of a valid driver’s license; (5) proof of training; (6) payment of a fifty-dollar application fee. This fee must be waived for disabled veterans and retired law enforcement officers; and (7) a complete set of fingerprints unless, because of a medical condition verified in writing by a licensed medical doctor, a complete set of fingerprints is impossible to submit. In lieu of the submission of fingerprints, the applicant must submit the written statement from a licensed medical doctor specifying the reason or reasons why the applicant’s fingerprints may not be taken. If all other qualifications are met, the Chief of SLED may waive the fingerprint requirements of this item.
SLED also must conduct a background check of the applicant through notification to and input from the sheriff of the county where the applicant resides or if the applicant is a qualified nonresident, where the applicant owns real property in this State. The sheriff within ten working days after notification by SLED, may submit a recommendation on an application. Before making a determination whether or not to issue a permit under this article, SLED must consider the recommendation provided pursuant to this subsection. If the fingerprint review and background check are favorable, SLED must issue the permit.
SLED shall offer the applicant a handgun training course that satisfies the requirements of Section 23-31-210(4). The course shall cost fifty dollars. SLED shall use the proceeds to defray the training course’s operating costs. If a permit is granted by operation of law because an applicant was not notified of a denial within the ninety-day notification period, the permit may be revoked upon written notification from SLED that sufficient grounds exist for revocation or initial denial.
A permit application form shall require an applicant to supply: (1) name, including maiden name if applicable; (2) date and place of birth; (3) sex; (4) race; (5) height; (6) weight; (7) eye and hair color; (8) current residence address; and (9) all residence addresses for the three years preceding the application date. (F) The permit application form shall require the applicant to certify that: (1) he is not a person prohibited under state law from possessing a weapon; (2) he understands the permit is revoked and must be surrendered immediately to SLED if the permit holder becomes a person prohibited under state law from possessing a weapon; and (3) all information contained in his application is true and correct to the best of his knowledge.
(I) SLED must maintain a list of all permit holders and the current status of each permit. SLED may release the list of permit holders or verify an individual’s permit status only if the request is made by a law enforcement agency to aid in an official investigation, or if the list is required to be released pursuant to a subpoena or court order. SLED may charge a fee not to exceed its costs in releasing the information under this subsection.
(K) A permit holder must have his permit identification card in his possession whenever he carries a concealable weapon. When carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23, a permit holder must inform a law enforcement officer of the fact that he is a permit holder and present the permit identification card when an officer: (1) identifies himself as a law enforcement officer; and (2) requests identification or a driver’s license from a permit holder. A permit holder immediately must report the loss or theft of a permit identification card to SLED headquarters. A person who violates the provisions of this subsection is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined twenty-five dollars.
(M) A permit issued pursuant to this section does not authorize a permit holder to carry a concealable weapon into a: (1) law enforcement, correctional, or detention facility; (2) courthouse or courtroom; (3) polling place on election days; (4) office of or the business meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special purpose district; (5) school or college athletic event not related to firearms; (6) daycare facility or preschool facility; (7) place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law;
(8) church or other established religious sanctuary unless express permission is given by the appropriate church official or governing body; (9) hospital, medical clinic, doctor’s office, or any other facility where medical services or procedures are performed unless expressly authorized by the employer; or (10) place clearly marked with a sign prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon on the premises pursuant to Sections 23-31-220 and 23-31-235.
(N) Valid out-of-state permits to carry concealable weapons held by a resident of a reciprocal state must be honored by this State, provided, that the reciprocal state requires an applicant to successfully pass a criminal background check and a course in firearm training and safety. A resident of a reciprocal state carrying a concealable weapon in South Carolina is subject to and must abide by the laws of South Carolina regarding concealable weapons. SLED shall maintain and publish a list of those states as the states with which South Carolina has reciprocity.
C. Section 16-23-20(9)(a) of the 1976 Code, as last amended by Act 28 of 2007, is further amended to read:
“(a) secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle; however, this item is not violated if the glove compartment, console, or trunk is opened in the presence of a law enforcement officer for the sole purpose of retrieving a driver’s license, registration, or proof of insurance. If the person has been issued a concealed weapons permit pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23, then the person also may secure his weapon under a seat in a vehicle, or in any open or closed storage compartment within the vehicle’s passenger compartment; or”
D. Section 16-23-10(10) of the 1976 Code, as added by Act 294 of 2004, is amended to read:
“(10) ‘Luggage compartment’ means the trunk of a motor vehicle which has a trunk; however, with respect to a motor vehicle which does not have a trunk, the term ‘luggage compartment’ refers to the area of the motor vehicle in which the manufacturer designed that luggage be carried or to the area of the motor vehicle in which luggage is customarily carried. In a station wagon, van, hatchback vehicle, truck, or sport utility vehicle, the term ‘luggage compartment’ refers to the area behind the rearmost seat.”
Time effective
SECTION 3. This act takes effect upon approval by the Governor.
Ratified the 5th day of February, 2014.
Approved the 11th day of February, 2014
Sam1911
Moderator Emeritus
Why would you pick a bad example of a state getting it wrong, and hold that up as a standard we should applaud, or adopt? Most of us who live in less draconian states would be VERY angry to have such restrictions foisted upon us.
Stop referencing the second amendment as the answer to every gun question. Amendments can have reasonable restrictions. That is not a new concept.
+10
The great state of WA only requires fingerprints, a background check, and $52 for a conceal carry permit. Open carry is legal with no permit.
Something like 5 (or is it 6?) states don't even require that, in fact they don't require a permit at all.
I'm not sure it's been shown that this lack of training is resulting in Washingtonians having ADs in Walmart any more often than those in other states, at least I haven't seen it. Come to think of it the only people I've personally seen have ADs were using government weapons to do so
They let the cat out of the bag many years ago.
www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2978584/posts#5
"Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country.
The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal."
-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., "A Reporter At Large: Handguns," The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58 "
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In Indiana all you have to do is apply for the permit, pay about $35, get fingerprinted, and voila, they mail you a License To Carry Handgun (aka an LTCH) and you can then carry a handgun on or about your person openly or concealed almost anywhere in the state. And you only have to be 18.
So, tell me...why is it that it that ^ works?
And then there are Arizona, and Vermont, and Alaska...and the much-longer list of states that allow open carry without a license. So, tell me...why is it that that ^ works?
Old concept doesn't make it a correct concept.
Reasonable and common sense are popular buzzwords of the gun grabbers who are most often not reasonable nor have any common sense.
One man's reasonable is another man's tyranny.
Wrong. It is the correct concept. That is as old as the constitution itself. It is not wrong because you want it to be wrong.
Geez. This argument just drives me nuts.
Yea OK.
You know why it makes me go nuts. Because It makes those that defend the 2nd amendment rights sound incompetent. You know why. Because it is an incompetent argument. It cannot be defended in any real debate that actually matters. The fact that the things brought forward in the OP are not specifically written in the 2nd amendment is meaningless in constitutional law. It is a bad way to protect our rights and gets us nowhere.
You know, some of the Amendments specifically use words like reasonable or unreasonable.
The 2nd is not one of them.
And others don't. But it doesn't matter. It is settled case law right or wrong. The sooner people understand that the better.
You know, and this is my cynical side coming out, but the NRA does not want its masses to understand that. Not because they don't think you can think, but they don't want you too. Why? Because the NRA knows who they are up against. They are up against gun grabbers and they know it. It is much easier to teach absolutes so that is what they do. And I understand it. In fact I agree with the approach so I am not sure why I bother pointing out the actual truth on a thread like this. But at the end of the day the 2nd amendment is not immune because it is not specific in its language. That is well established far beyond just the second amendment. But I digress. I will let it go.
Ed Ames
Member
Do you think it is appropriate to tell people to stop anything?
Reasonable restrictions on rights are a very contentious subject. E.g. the "1st amendment zones" many government employees think should be sufficient under 1A, where many Americans think protesters should be allowed in any public place.
Restrictions typically must be very narrow to get widespread support. Most people agree that the harm of shouting fire in a theater warrants restraint. They don't agree that writing books advocating the systematic genocide of <pick a group> - even if others read those books and attempt such a genocide - should be restrained. This despite the fact that in the 20th century maybe a few hundred people worldwide died in panics based on something akin to shouts of fire in a theater, wereas easily 100,000,000 people died in systematic genocides.
When it comes to firearms, I doubt you could make a compelling case that registration, licensing, interviews, purchase restrictions, et cetera are truly reasonable. They haven't stopped, and perhaps have contributed to, crime.
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South Carolina resident here...
I'm quite well aware of SC's laws. I'm also somewhat versed in the history of it, as well.
Suffice it to say that the gun laws in this state have (slowly) been improving over the years. The latest having to do with removing the restriction against CCW in places that serve alcohol.
It wasn't all that far back in the history of South Carolina (and several other states) where the Black Code and Jim Crow laws prohibited black people from owning firearms, period.
The trend in SC, and in almost every state in the union over the past few decades, is MORE permissive with respect to gun rights.
No matter how you paint the picture, the history of gun control laws in the United States has been one of oppression from the very beginning. We don't need this. Not in South Carolina, no in any state.
I never said it was a incorrect concept..but the problem is, the reason there is a Bill of Rights to begin with, is due to the fact that some of the founding fathers wanted to make sure the majority opinion never trampled on individual rights. While other thought those rights needed no deliniation and feared that writing them down would give the future government free reign to ignore those not written down.
They knew an actual tyrant would not be stopped by a document. They wanted to protect against runaway populism of the type seen in Ancient Athens, which often trode on individual liberty.
Restrictions passed by politicians are often not reasonable. Modern America is trending toward populism. The courts can't rule on all laws...there are just too many. I think it is obvious the courts are far too politically biased too.
Licensing and interviews in order to own firearms is far from what I would call reasonable.
They knew an actual tyrant would not be stopped by a document. They wanted to protect against runaway populism of the type seen in Ancient Athens, which often trode on individual liberty.
Restrictions passed by politicians are often not reasonable. Modern America is trending toward populism. The courts can't rule on all laws...there are just too many. I think it is obvious the courts are far too politically biased too.
Licensing and interviews in order to own firearms is far from what I would call reasonable.
First of all yes. I do believe it is write to tell people to stop doing something that I think at the end of the day works against something I care about. That being said I somewhat contradict my self understanding and agreeing with why it is hammered home.
And, just to clarify, I could not make and would not want to defend any of the things you mentioned. I do not believe any of those are reasonable. And in most states they do not exist. I personally believe Alaska has it right. Or close. I do not think any of what you said is reasonable and neither the majority(fortunately_) But to pretend the 2nd amendment is immune to such discussion because such discussion is not specifically mentioned in the amendment itself is not a defendable position at all. Thats my only point.
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Alaska also requires fingerprints and completion of a handgun competency course, along with restrictions on past offenses:
Before applying for a permit, please read Alaska Statutes 18.65.700 through 18.65.790 and Alaska Regulations 13 AAC 30.010 through 13 AAC 30.900 (also in the resources tab). An applicant who supplies false statements, answers to questions, or documents may be prosecuted for unsworn falsification. Fees for a permit are not refundable if the permit requirements are not satisfied.
The applicant must, in summary:
•Be 21 years old or older.
•Be an Alaska resident and have lived in the state for more than 90 days
•Be eligible under federal and state regulations to possess a firearm.
•Not been convicted of two or more Class A misdemeanors of Alaska or similar laws in any other jurisdiction within the six years immediately preceding the application.
•Not be currently under order nor in the three years immediately preceding the application have been under order to complete an alcohol or substance abuse treatment program.
•Successfully complete an approved handgun competency course within the 12 months prior to the application
•Prepare their application in writing on the provided forms, and deliver the application in person. The information must be personally attested.
•Submit fingerprint, photograph, current demographic date, and identifying data.
•Pay the appropriate fees for the permit being requested -- $91.50 for an initial permit. Fees are not refundable if the permit is not approved.
Before applying for a permit, please read Alaska Statutes 18.65.700 through 18.65.790 and Alaska Regulations 13 AAC 30.010 through 13 AAC 30.900 (also in the resources tab). An applicant who supplies false statements, answers to questions, or documents may be prosecuted for unsworn falsification. Fees for a permit are not refundable if the permit requirements are not satisfied.
The applicant must, in summary:
•Be 21 years old or older.
•Be an Alaska resident and have lived in the state for more than 90 days
•Be eligible under federal and state regulations to possess a firearm.
•Not been convicted of two or more Class A misdemeanors of Alaska or similar laws in any other jurisdiction within the six years immediately preceding the application.
•Not be currently under order nor in the three years immediately preceding the application have been under order to complete an alcohol or substance abuse treatment program.
•Successfully complete an approved handgun competency course within the 12 months prior to the application
•Prepare their application in writing on the provided forms, and deliver the application in person. The information must be personally attested.
•Submit fingerprint, photograph, current demographic date, and identifying data.
•Pay the appropriate fees for the permit being requested -- $91.50 for an initial permit. Fees are not refundable if the permit is not approved.
I generally agree with that but will refer to my previous post for clarification.
Ed Ames
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Fair enough.
ACP: Alaska doesn't require a permit for concealed or open carry.
Sam1911
Moderator Emeritus
Ha ha ha...hooo... hee.
Yeah, but they don't require ANYONE to HAVE their permit in order to carry a firearm openly or concealed. http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/alaska.pdf
How 'bout them apples?
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Pretty good, Sam
Here's some of Texas's requirements: have to be able to exercise 'sound judgment,' and can't get a permit of you owe child support or back taxes?? Guess they gotta raise revenue somehow....
Sec. 411.172. ELIGIBILITY. (a) A person is eligible for a license to carry a concealed handgun if the person:
(1) is a legal resident of this state for the six-month period preceding the date of application under this subchapter or is otherwise eligible for a license under Section 411.173(a);
(2) is at least 21 years of age;
(3) has not been convicted of a felony;
(4) is not charged with the commission of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense, or of an offense under Section 42.01, Penal Code, or equivalent offense, or of a felony under an information or indictment;
(5) is not a fugitive from justice for a felony or a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense;
(6) is not a chemically dependent person;
(7) is not incapable of exercising sound judgment with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun;
(8) has not, in the five years preceding the date of application, been convicted of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense or of an offense under Section 42.01, Penal Code, or equivalent offense;
(9) is fully qualified under applicable federal and state law to purchase a handgun;
(10) has not been finally determined to be delinquent in making a child support payment administered or collected by the attorney general;
(11) has not been finally determined to be delinquent in the payment of a tax or other money collected by the comptroller, the tax collector of a political subdivision of the state, or any agency or subdivision of the state;
(12) is not currently restricted under a court protective order or subject to a restraining order affecting the spousal relationship, other than a restraining order solely affecting property interests;
(13) has not, in the 10 years preceding the date of application, been adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct violating a penal law of the grade of felony; and
(14) has not made any material misrepresentation, or failed to disclose any material fact, in an application submitted pursuant to Section 411.174.
Here's some of Texas's requirements: have to be able to exercise 'sound judgment,' and can't get a permit of you owe child support or back taxes?? Guess they gotta raise revenue somehow....
Sec. 411.172. ELIGIBILITY. (a) A person is eligible for a license to carry a concealed handgun if the person:
(1) is a legal resident of this state for the six-month period preceding the date of application under this subchapter or is otherwise eligible for a license under Section 411.173(a);
(2) is at least 21 years of age;
(3) has not been convicted of a felony;
(4) is not charged with the commission of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense, or of an offense under Section 42.01, Penal Code, or equivalent offense, or of a felony under an information or indictment;
(5) is not a fugitive from justice for a felony or a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense;
(6) is not a chemically dependent person;
(7) is not incapable of exercising sound judgment with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun;
(8) has not, in the five years preceding the date of application, been convicted of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense or of an offense under Section 42.01, Penal Code, or equivalent offense;
(9) is fully qualified under applicable federal and state law to purchase a handgun;
(10) has not been finally determined to be delinquent in making a child support payment administered or collected by the attorney general;
(11) has not been finally determined to be delinquent in the payment of a tax or other money collected by the comptroller, the tax collector of a political subdivision of the state, or any agency or subdivision of the state;
(12) is not currently restricted under a court protective order or subject to a restraining order affecting the spousal relationship, other than a restraining order solely affecting property interests;
(13) has not, in the 10 years preceding the date of application, been adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct violating a penal law of the grade of felony; and
(14) has not made any material misrepresentation, or failed to disclose any material fact, in an application submitted pursuant to Section 411.174.
Sam1911
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You know, there's a whole website, www.handgunlaw.us, that keeps all these different state laws collated into a convenient location, so you don't have to post each state's requirements here. We can find them if we need them.
Or are you supporting your position somehow by quoting all of these? If so, could you explain how?
Or are you supporting your position somehow by quoting all of these? If so, could you explain how?
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