SHTF in Shreveport: Home invader drilled 12 times with an SKS

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in some jurisdictions the amount of drugs isn't important when it comes to intent to sell, many times it's how it's packaged, if you've got 2 buds and they're in separate baggies then it's intent to sell while you could have 10X that amount in one baggie and is misdemeanor posession.
 
Just because a drug dealer successfully used a firearm to defend himself, DOES NOT mean he is a good guy, and automatically one of us.

Bad guys defend themselves with firearms also.
 
Just because he is being charged with intent to distribute does not mean he is a drug dealer. Innocent until proven guilty.:scrutiny:
The assumptions some of you make in this case really are appalling. Reminds me of the news media reporting an "arsenal of assault weapons and several thousand rounds of ammunition" and then assuming the individual is minutes away from some kind of shooting spree. Shame on you.
 
Just because he is being charged with intent to distribute does not mean he is a drug dealer. Innocent until proven guilty.

By this logic we can't say anything bad about the ALLEGED 'home invaders' either. I mean they MAY have been boyscouts who were trying to help a his infirmed mother get back after being lost in the neighborhood.

WE are not a court of law. WE do not have to assume innocence. WE get to discuss things if we want to. Are you REALLY REALLY sure that you want to live by a policy of 'innocent until proved guilty in a court of law'? By that logic if some guy is in the process of robbing you at gunpoint you can't shoot him untill he has been properly processed through the legal system.
 
Being an old cop, I might be inclined to wonder just WHY three heavily-armed banditos would want to crash this guy's house in the middle of the night. Not a common occurence, even in the tougher neighborhoods. Maybe he's a dealer, and they wanted his dope/dope money? Certainly a possibility, given the circumstances. And if I see dope scattered around the place, am I supposed to write him a hall pass because he was to busy shooting the invaders to clean up his mess?

I just moved into my first house (I'm renting). It is in the middle of nowhere, just off of the Blue Ridge Parkway (which is a major drug route).


After moving in, it became obvious that the previous tenants were running some kind of pot-farm. I had hundreds of pounds of fertilizer laying around, dozens of planters, timers, grow lights, etc. When I took my drier out of the washroom to fix it, I found a small plant that had apparently fallen or been discarded behind the drier (I think the washroom was their main growing room, since it had a seperate internal deadbolt lock on it, even though there was no outside exit). I haven't known a hippie yet who wasn't forgetfull, so I think the chances are good that one day I will find a bag of six-month old weed where the previous tenent hid it and forgot about it.

To make matters worse, I have a bunch of suspicious burlap sacks in my backyard that have no apparent reason for being there. When I look at where they are located, it appears that they (and whatever was growing out of them) would be completely hidden from view by weeds.

Also, I bought a sofa from the thrift store, and I am still cleaning out the marijuana seeds from it (I live in a town with a lot of hippies).


Partly because I am the sort of person who would post to this board, but also because of the sketchy history of the house I have taken extra measures to make sure that I will be able to defend the house and my girlfriend should we have trouble.

Now, if I shot a couple of armed home invaders with my 'assault mini-14' or 'street sweeper shotgun' (it's actually a stock mossberg 500 with a full stock and some shellholders) and in the aftermath the police found all that growing equipment, a large number of seeds, the plant behind the drier, etc. what would they think? I would probably be arrested on some drug related charge or another. Even if though I (and my girlfriend) would have no problems passing any drug tests (since we don't do them) things would still look pretty bad.


On the upside, I am mixing the miracle grow and fertilizer into the beds where I am planning on having a vegetable garden, and all those planters are fantastic for starting my (legal) herbs early.
 
If I were you I'd make a call to Boone's LE shed and explain the situation. I'd get them out there to investigate and while there I'd have my very own personally retained genuine lawyer at my right hand.

You, Sir, are a sitting duck; deliberately or by accident.

Seriously, I would go into full time CMA mode until my previously retained lawyer is grinning.
 
Sarge - I have to completely disagree with your statements. Well, not the statements themselves - the best way to avoid drug charges IS to not have drugs - but with the implications. Maybe I mistook what you said, but it sounds like you're saying "If you don't want trouble, you should blindly follow the law." What about laws that are ridiculous, immoral, or just there to subjugate the people? Should you still obey them? Are you going to turn in all of your weapons if guns are outlawed, just so you can avoid getting a weapons charge?
 
the War on Drugs is a stupid waste of tax money and abuse of power...it's EXACTLY like prohibition...but wait! once alcohol was legal again...i've not heard of a 'alcohol deal gone bad' since???

If the gov. has the power to ban a plant...it could do whatever it wants....

DB
 
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Waitone is right. I would let the cops know that the place is infested so that they know you are on the up-n-up. If you have that many seeds around there they are bound to start popping up of their own volition in the future.

Ever hear of the "old wive's tale" of "One years seeding is seven years weeding"? It's true. If you let an area go to seed, only about 15% of the seeds dispersed germinate in any given year, It takes about seven years for them to finally go away.

If your state has a seizure and forfeiture law, the owner could lose the house if a certain nunber -- usually ~14 or so -- plants pop up. There is also the problem with the law's wording in that they can seize a property if the owner "knew or should have known" the activity was ongoing. The problem with that problem is that they can use the fact that they were called to report the activity as proof that you knew the activity was ongoing.

So you are caught in a Catch-22 situation.

So I would be on plant patrol often, at least once a week, for the next few years and pulling the little buggers out by the roots whenever I found them.
 
I think we can all agree that the best possible resolution to a situation like this would be to NOT have three armed goons bust down your door. If Wilson contributed meaningfully to instigating this attack, through shady dealings or poor choice of associates, then he shares responsibility not only for the break-in, but for Cannon's death and the injury sustained by his wife.

Considering that he was facing an armed invasion of his home, he did the right thing to repel his attackers with deadly force. But this is not enough to make him a hero. I'm pleased to see an example of a scenario in which effective use of force protected a man and his wife, but my approval goes no further than the principle of the matter. I do not know this man, and it is not impossible that his possession of a firearm and his behavior while in possession of it led up to a situation in which he needed to use it. If that's the case, then legislation that would have prevented him from owning that firearm would also have prevented Cannon's death and Mrs. Wilson's wound. In that instance, this is a better case for the gun-grabbers than it is for us.
 
Waitone is right. I would let the cops know that the place is infested so that they know you are on the up-n-up. If you have that many seeds around there they are bound to start popping up of their own volition in the future.

Yeah, I know.

I am keeping a close eye on the backyard, and if I find anything I will probably end up reporting it. However, I do not want to provide any law enforcement agencies with a ready-made excuse to snoop around my house.

I have spent a lot of time cleaning everywhere in my house, and I think I have taken care of everything inside, and I don't have anything that I know to be illegal, but I value my privacy.

Am I allowed to destroy any plants that I find? Seems to me that will only make things appear as though I were deliberately harvesting them....

Anyway, I live at 3300 feet and spring hasn't quite arrived, so I have a couple more weeks before I have to worry about my yard.
 
Greg-

How long have you been there? Maybe an early notification would be better than not. Of course if you knew - or suspected - and took your time informing anyone, that IMHO, might develop an unhappy experience. If you've been there a short time, a quick response might help better.

You might connect with the local newspaper first, it's possible the previous folks were "in the news". If so, the Leo world probably already knows the history and that'd be points for you. But waitone and JimPeel are on the money re new growth and Leo world. You may have - not only a "mixed crop", but a hybrid crop - wit all that that would entail.

How about the landlord... what does he/she know? There might be some liability there if the LL knew of the "Garden of "Evil"".

Another instance of situational awareness, huh? Darn it, these learning curves never end.

Best to (and for) you.

-Andy
 
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