Zaydok Allen
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So I finally had a chance to hit the range and shoot my new 220 in 10mm yesterday.
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This is not going to be a comprehensive range report, but just my initial impressions.
I sat down on a lane and pulled out a sandbag. It is nice and scorched up now, so it at least looks respectable. I wanted to do some accuracy testing and see where the gun hits. Prior to this, all of my semi auto shooting has been done with a simple two handed thumbs forward hold. However after buying a 10mm, and observing the incredible variety of bullet weights that can be found, I decided I needed a little bit of steadying in order to find out what this particular gun likes.
I realized that a 3" barrel 357 magnum was the loudest gun I had ever shot at an indoor range. In an enclosed environment, it's all I really wanted to shoot. However, I shoot a 460 magnum and I've had a concern about my ear protection in the long run even though I shoot that gun outside. I always have used earplugs rated at 30 NR rating. I don't know if they are adequate or not, but I decided I didn't care. I picked up a pair of Walker's Razor on sale at my local big box store.
They aren't anything special, but they functioned as advertised, and gave me peace of mind. They are only 23 NR rated, but by combining them with earplugs, I should be just fine.
Anyway, I loaded up two magazines with 5 shots each. I was shooting Sig Sauer's 180 gr ammo. I started out in single action as I just wanted to see how the gun grouped, and was only shooting at 10 yards. I was kind of shocked, and not in a good way. My first shot was 1.5 inches left, and 1 inch low. So I figured it was a flinch. You know, the anticipation of a new gun and the expected recoil of a powerful cartridge. So, I took a deep breath and fired again at the same POA, and really focused on my sight picture hard, and did so for the following three shots.
Well, my group looked like a pattern and I was ashamed to even have it hanging on the cardboard. After deciding that I was a terrible person and didn't deserve to own any of my guns, I buckled down and really focused with all of the concentration I could muster. I fired 100 rounds slowly and did manage to tighten up my groups quite a bit. However, I did find that no matter what I did to keep my sights level, and avoid flinching, I was hitting low and left, and I did not get very good accuracy even when shooting from the sandbag.
The tightest group I measured was 1.318" at only 7 yards. This is unacceptable to me and I of course blamed myself. Terrible, just terrible. That group should be one raged hole at that short of a distance and not be much more than three quarters of an inch in diameter.
Then I considered the following things. This is my first Sig pistol, and I have not even had a chance for real dry fire practice. I mean seriously, I haven't because I just got back from an international trip, and then had my dad visiting for a week. So I picked it up, cleaned it, and then it sat in the box for a week and a half.
As I said earlier, I was excited and have never fired a 10mm before. While shooting one is no different than shooting any other gun, the anticipation can throw me off.
I drank an entire pot of coffee that morning, like a genius. I have no doubt I was jerking the trigger as a result, and my hands did feel a bit shaky when I was loading magazines. I didn't feel particularly twitchy, but I had a serious caffeine crash later, so it was clearly having an impact.
It is entirely possible that my gun doesn't care for 180 gr ammo, as I still find the accuracy to be disturbing, even considering the previously listed factors. Unfortunately, there was no other 10mm ammo available for me to try. I also thought the POI was lower than it should have been, so next go around I may try some 200 gr ammo to see if it brings the POI up a bit. I want to carry at least 200 gr ammo anyway, so I'm not overly worried about it at this point.
I also noted, as usual, I had too much finger on the trigger. This is a very common issue for me, as I have larger hands, being a somewhat larger guy. As a result, keeping my thumbs out of the way of the slide stop is a consistent issue, and all my guns have had user induced failures to lock back the slide at some point or another.
So then I shot 50 rounds in a standing two handed hold, and I was able to punch the center of the target out. It wasn't terribly pretty, but it sufficed.
The final 50 rounds I decided to shoot as quickly as I can. The point of this gun for me is protection on the trail, so speed is important. Again, it wasn't pretty, but I was able to pick the gun up, and empty the magazine into the target at 10 yards quickly enough to defend myself.
Shooting fast at 10 yards, there were some flyers, but I started putting the rounds through the same hole, and managed to keep the rounds on the black, with that one at the bottom slipping off a bit. The other holes on the white target were from earlier shots. You can see how I was all over the place, especially in the beginning.
So the bottom line is have a lot of work to do before I consider myself even moderately competent with this gun. This is the absolute worst I have ever shot a new gun out of the box before. However, I am pretty convinced it was all my fault. Next time, much less coffee will be drank. I will bring a variety of ammo to try also. And I'll try to keep my stupid finger on the trigger as it is supposed to be.
All 200 rounds fed, fired, and ejected perfectly.
The slide failed to lock back, until I locked my right thumb down. So that's all me.
The recoil was very manageable IMO. The web of my hand was a little sore after 200 rounds, but I happily would have kept shooting with more ammo. I don't think anyone would have trouble managing this gun given it's size and weight. Some will have more tolerance than others for the recoil and muzzle rise, but the weight of the gun makes it very shootable.
The sights are great also by the way. Sig night sites are nice.
I hesitated to even write this, given how poorly I shot, but it's a learning experience and honesty is important for people considering this gun. I'll post on this thread again when I've had a chance to shoot a bit more and have any relevant data. In the mean time, anyone wondering about this gun, ask away.
View media item 1078
This is not going to be a comprehensive range report, but just my initial impressions.
I sat down on a lane and pulled out a sandbag. It is nice and scorched up now, so it at least looks respectable. I wanted to do some accuracy testing and see where the gun hits. Prior to this, all of my semi auto shooting has been done with a simple two handed thumbs forward hold. However after buying a 10mm, and observing the incredible variety of bullet weights that can be found, I decided I needed a little bit of steadying in order to find out what this particular gun likes.
I realized that a 3" barrel 357 magnum was the loudest gun I had ever shot at an indoor range. In an enclosed environment, it's all I really wanted to shoot. However, I shoot a 460 magnum and I've had a concern about my ear protection in the long run even though I shoot that gun outside. I always have used earplugs rated at 30 NR rating. I don't know if they are adequate or not, but I decided I didn't care. I picked up a pair of Walker's Razor on sale at my local big box store.
They aren't anything special, but they functioned as advertised, and gave me peace of mind. They are only 23 NR rated, but by combining them with earplugs, I should be just fine.
Anyway, I loaded up two magazines with 5 shots each. I was shooting Sig Sauer's 180 gr ammo. I started out in single action as I just wanted to see how the gun grouped, and was only shooting at 10 yards. I was kind of shocked, and not in a good way. My first shot was 1.5 inches left, and 1 inch low. So I figured it was a flinch. You know, the anticipation of a new gun and the expected recoil of a powerful cartridge. So, I took a deep breath and fired again at the same POA, and really focused on my sight picture hard, and did so for the following three shots.
Well, my group looked like a pattern and I was ashamed to even have it hanging on the cardboard. After deciding that I was a terrible person and didn't deserve to own any of my guns, I buckled down and really focused with all of the concentration I could muster. I fired 100 rounds slowly and did manage to tighten up my groups quite a bit. However, I did find that no matter what I did to keep my sights level, and avoid flinching, I was hitting low and left, and I did not get very good accuracy even when shooting from the sandbag.
The tightest group I measured was 1.318" at only 7 yards. This is unacceptable to me and I of course blamed myself. Terrible, just terrible. That group should be one raged hole at that short of a distance and not be much more than three quarters of an inch in diameter.
Then I considered the following things. This is my first Sig pistol, and I have not even had a chance for real dry fire practice. I mean seriously, I haven't because I just got back from an international trip, and then had my dad visiting for a week. So I picked it up, cleaned it, and then it sat in the box for a week and a half.
As I said earlier, I was excited and have never fired a 10mm before. While shooting one is no different than shooting any other gun, the anticipation can throw me off.
I drank an entire pot of coffee that morning, like a genius. I have no doubt I was jerking the trigger as a result, and my hands did feel a bit shaky when I was loading magazines. I didn't feel particularly twitchy, but I had a serious caffeine crash later, so it was clearly having an impact.
It is entirely possible that my gun doesn't care for 180 gr ammo, as I still find the accuracy to be disturbing, even considering the previously listed factors. Unfortunately, there was no other 10mm ammo available for me to try. I also thought the POI was lower than it should have been, so next go around I may try some 200 gr ammo to see if it brings the POI up a bit. I want to carry at least 200 gr ammo anyway, so I'm not overly worried about it at this point.
I also noted, as usual, I had too much finger on the trigger. This is a very common issue for me, as I have larger hands, being a somewhat larger guy. As a result, keeping my thumbs out of the way of the slide stop is a consistent issue, and all my guns have had user induced failures to lock back the slide at some point or another.
So then I shot 50 rounds in a standing two handed hold, and I was able to punch the center of the target out. It wasn't terribly pretty, but it sufficed.
The final 50 rounds I decided to shoot as quickly as I can. The point of this gun for me is protection on the trail, so speed is important. Again, it wasn't pretty, but I was able to pick the gun up, and empty the magazine into the target at 10 yards quickly enough to defend myself.
Shooting fast at 10 yards, there were some flyers, but I started putting the rounds through the same hole, and managed to keep the rounds on the black, with that one at the bottom slipping off a bit. The other holes on the white target were from earlier shots. You can see how I was all over the place, especially in the beginning.
So the bottom line is have a lot of work to do before I consider myself even moderately competent with this gun. This is the absolute worst I have ever shot a new gun out of the box before. However, I am pretty convinced it was all my fault. Next time, much less coffee will be drank. I will bring a variety of ammo to try also. And I'll try to keep my stupid finger on the trigger as it is supposed to be.
All 200 rounds fed, fired, and ejected perfectly.
The slide failed to lock back, until I locked my right thumb down. So that's all me.
The recoil was very manageable IMO. The web of my hand was a little sore after 200 rounds, but I happily would have kept shooting with more ammo. I don't think anyone would have trouble managing this gun given it's size and weight. Some will have more tolerance than others for the recoil and muzzle rise, but the weight of the gun makes it very shootable.
The sights are great also by the way. Sig night sites are nice.
I hesitated to even write this, given how poorly I shot, but it's a learning experience and honesty is important for people considering this gun. I'll post on this thread again when I've had a chance to shoot a bit more and have any relevant data. In the mean time, anyone wondering about this gun, ask away.
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